- I would not be surprised if we don't get a phone call
that my mom was found with a knife through her chest.
It wouldn't surprise me, it just wouldn't.
- Has her drinking affected your relationship, Ron?
- You know compared to what she's done
to my other sister and my mother, no.
Lisa has never, other than my wedding,
personally done anything to me.
I just don't want to witness it anymore
because every time I try to say something about it
to my mother, I get harpooned by her and I get called,
my mom starts, you know, "don't worry about your sister,
"you're a piece of (beep), you're always ya-da-da,"
and my mom goes off on me.
(group mutters)
- Is that true Linda?
- I've said that.
- [Interviewer] Why? - I have.
- Why don't you want her brother to be concerned
about her drinking?
- I do want him to be concerned about it,
but some of the things that he says to me hurt,
so I retaliate because I'm so hurt by what she's doing
and I feel like I'm being pulled in 15 different directions.
And I don't want-- - Yeah, but verbal abuse
is never the way Linda.
- [Linda] I know. - It's not.
- [Linda] I know. - It's not the way to
motivate people and you have to be the one
to set a good example 'cause you're the mom here.
- I try. - Yeah. We know you feel
like you're out of solutions.
We understand that but you know,
verbally abusing your children,
it's not actually going to get them to
do anything productive.
- Linda, do you know what has she done
to your other daughter?
- Been very, very verbally abusive to her sister.
- Mm, yeah.
Are you worried that she's still living with your mom and
everything that you've seen and maybe not even know
that's going on in the house, does that worry
you that something might happen to your mom?
- Oh yeah, I talked to my wife the other,
a couple weeks ago I guess, and I told her
I would not be surprised if we don't get a phone call
that my mom was found with a knife through her chest.
I will not be surprised. - (group mutters)
- Now I know I'm being, that sounds dramatic,
but that's honest to God the way she has gone off on her
sometimes, it wouldn't surprise me, it just wouldn't.
- [Interviewer] Linda, has your daughter hit you?
- Yes, she got so bad one night
that she went out of the house.
She was totally naked and was out on the patio
screaming and yelling, I had her by the arms
trying to drag her back into the house
'cause she had no clothes on.
- Do you remember that?
- No, 'cause that's not true.
- It is true, it is true, why would I lie, it is true!
- Oh my God, why would I go outside at your house?
- And the neighbor's screaming.
- You were drunk, Ronnie, that's why you did it
and you don't remember it, your mother wouldn't
make up a story, she's trying to help you!
- She's screaming, "call 911, she's gonna kill me,
"she's gonna kill me!"
And one of the neighbors called the police,
and the police came.
- Yeah because they were trying to break in my door.
- When is enough enough?
She's already hit you, when are you, I am never.
- This is enough, I can't take anymore,
that's why we're here, this is enough.
- Was your relationship always like this?
- [Linda] No. - [Ronnie] I don't think that.
- What was it like when Ronnie was younger, Linda?
- We were close, we'd do things together,
we'd go places together, I don't even take her with me
anywhere I go anymore because she goes off
and she'll scream and she'll yell for no reason at all.
- 'Cause you don't go anywhere!
All you do is go to work and sit with Steve.
- Work, work, oh my God, that was the word!
- [Ronnie] What am I supposed to do, go to work with her?
- Do you, wow!
- That's the problem, Ronnie, you don't go to work,
that's what we're talking about,
a job, that's what adults have.
- Okay, and then like, okay, I'm gonna go to the bar
with her, like after work, okay.
- We used to hang out. - Yeah.
- We'd go to watch football on Sunday.
- Now all you guys do is just sit there and
let Steve watch whatever he wants.
- Dr. Judy, how realistic is it for Ronnie
to be able to have a job or even think about a job
when half of the things that she's done to her mom,
that she's done to herself, that she's done to her brother,
she doesn't even remember?
- Right, that's part of the problem is,
you know, we're trying to get you to face the truth,
and you don't remember half of what happened,
so that's really really tough.
- Yeah but that was a long time ago.
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