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It's been an absolute peeler today guys. We're talking
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I think it's mean to be harder tomorrow as well
Just quickly we'll get you to tell us a little bit about yourself alrighty. I'm to II I
That's Frankie Frank
It's my dog
I'm in my fifth year coming up now of uni I'm moving up to Christchurch in a little bit I
Study social work, and I work as a support worker for kids with disabilities
Champion let's kick it off of Christchurch I
Don't know how I feel about Christchurch, and I get mixed reviews on it as well. I feel like
People who everyone who lives there kind of likes it mm-hmm well everyone loves this seems to like it
But then everyone outside of it seems to like kind of hate on it a little bit
I think that kind of just extends from like the earthquake thing
Yeah, I mean it's not to the same level as like gore and the cargo the no no no its doors
It's like yeah. It's the second biggest city isn't it let's bring in the mountain
It's yeah. It's the South Island's biggest today. Yeah, I think it's the second-biggest oh maybe Hamilton
I don't know. I don't know I don't think so I
Feel like so that's kind of as well you go for the fact check on that one folks
Yeah Christchurch, what do you reckon? What's the attraction? Um well it was either that or Wellington Wellington is just really too expensive
Laughing yeah, just not really and it's a bigger move as well Christchurch is a bit more manageable
And I kind of wanted to like end up like if I do my placement up there for Social Work
Then I can end up getting a job up
There is the goal in Christ Romania yeah, and then just been like a year or two there, and then perhaps either
Go overseas, or you know change cities
Yeah, we do you want to go overseas
I'm really interested to try like maybe Scotland or Wales
Wales
Always trust me out how Wales have their own language?
yeah, so I met these two Welsh girls when I was travelling and medical and
Yeah, that was what I found out
Native language everyone speaks it though, no no I think English is like the most still the most spoken but
It's still more prominent than Maori though
Yeah for sure yeah people can still speak fluently in it, and they still do use it a wee bit yeah
Yeah, that's that totally true
Yeah, Christchurch will be all good Eric, and I I think it's got some good shit happening for it at the moment
I think so especially with Mike
I mean the earthquakes are horrible and everything
But now they've kind of got money to like they hate to sort of redo everything to blessing in disguise
Isn't it like this positives coming out of it in terms of it you're making the most of it
Yeah, well they get a redevelop. They need to rebuild everything in this all quite modern. It's getting that I think like
10 years down the track maybe not even but it'll be OB legit pumping place or even is now like you go there
And it's just everything is so well done, and it's very like
Quite modern like all they've got cool apps
There's quite a few like called a bar popping up around the place as well like there's kind of garden outdoor bars type of vibe
shit
yeah, and there's also like a
lot of like
People up there like the people up there. It's kind of like different to need him because didn't like we're students
We're all like this student, and everyone's on the student buzz where people are actually like working full-time
Yeah, yeah, it's a whole different thing I
Friday's will be the big deal update. I suppose in terms of party. Yeah, I don't know
I don't know too many people party that they're much a couple
and
I'm hearing a good story
Lots of free drinks. It's good lots of free drinks people have money up there students like seeking donate money as students
I mean - I went to a gay bar once when I was there
And it was pretty fun bar
And they like the chill airs about it
I'm not saying that I thought they weren't chill about it at the start, but I was like yeah
I'm not interested bro, so huddle good
Maybe they still find that flicker. I hope I don't drink maybe
No, I actually like actually go over girl, they're like what are the chances who would have thought?
Really tasting today
Classy Christchurch will be cool that playgrounds legit as well that Margit May. He won
Oh, I've heard of that one ever mean to it. Though. Oh fuck it looks fun
I wish I was a kid you can like just go playing it. That's a bit weird if I do it now
Yeah, you kinda have to be like in the middle of the night and drunk yeah, and it's on
Maybe
On the to-do list I actually know a few people in Christchurch now
Yeah, I do
It's weird how like everyone's kind of like moving out moving around now
I had like a weekend away in Queens on last weekend
and we're like talking about how like
The next sort of time when people will be like getting together for big parties will we like we need like weeding season stats
mmm like people are gonna start settling down and
weird yeah, I've already been to one of my mates weddings and
super fun
so cool
Yeah, it's quite uh like
Mind-blowing really has like life is coming. It's coming hmm strap yourself in
But yeah, it's kind of scary at all
but exciting
Yeah, it's just a little bit like it throws you off away
But like it's like you feel like you've had barely any time at uni but realistically it's been like four years
Yeah, and that's a while like we like know let's go leavers anymore like we are definitely way past that I've been out of uni
For a whole year now, that's like that just went by in a flash
So
You know how so you're doing social work mm-hmm. Are they on the dole and stuff, or do they get like different types of benefits
Do you mean social workers nah? I mean your clients it depends
What agency you're working for like Social Work like people don't realize how very Social Work is like you've got the typical Otunga
Somebody key, which is like just like you normal social welfare sort of thing
But it's like Social Work is under such a broad spectrum of
Different areas like their Social Work is everywhere you get social workers in schools
You get in hospital you get them like when you go into disability
Like so many things are involved with so short mean to health
And we're leaning towards kids with intellectual disabilities. That's what I'm working as now. That's my
Just my job. I could see myself potentially getting more into it and like I think that'd be really interesting. I like kids
good
Fine like I like them, but I don't want to say no to anything though
Like I think I'm very open to whatever comes my way. You know yeah, just want to try anything or
agreeable
You know if you keep saying yes to things
Then that would be the same kind of being agreeable yeah, you know kind of agreeing just going yes everything
Yeah, well I don't like the thing is like when you first get out of social workers
You can't really afford to be like any degree you can't afford to be fussy with whatever job. You come across totally yeah
I think I'm just gonna say you so just recognize
Yes, man that shit loved that movie but um
Yeah, no use man that shit
to an extent you know
Social work you studied it as well right so that sorry yes
Sociology a No what is it BS w so Bachelor of Social Work degree social work?
So it's completely different to sociology
yeah, well we start off like first year is you do like a lot of it is sociology base so the
first two years as you're doing a lot of prerequisites and
some of those prerequisites are Social Work sociology papers a
Majority of them are a lot of it crosses over. Yeah, because it's all social theory
It's like the theories that we like going under like the ecological model and stuff like the theories that we're working with our all based
on sociological thinking ok yeah
So it's a Bachelor of Social Work with a major in
Social Work Social Work, you don't even have a major
Cuz I yeah, it's like that with music a Bachelor music, but I majored in
Performance and composition yes, we don't have that option. You don't have the major option. Could you do a minor if you wanted, okay?
Yeah, so you just strictly that yeah, it's like a C. Course was a quite an intense like um was it academically a
Struggle for you, or was it quite easy. Did you find?
just your personal opinion like I
Mean I found that like a lot of work because it's all internal
Yeah, which a lot of people like oh, yeah?
I know externals whereas I quite like externals like I'm quite good at like cramming and sort of like yeah, it's sort of retaining information
Everyone has their preferences yeah and internals, but yeah, well like internals. I just take so long and like
It's so much work like and they say that they space it out like they're all in the same department
But like they say they space it out, but like we had like four or five assignments due in one week
oh
Yeah
Like writing essays do you think he says like a good way to test to?
test knowledge I
Think it's good for your understanding of Rhys
I think I've learned like I've only ever really enjoyed one aside that I did and it was like Oh, Papa Modi
He said that I did like examining
What was it was it was moldy woman in the history, and I found that really interesting because was kind of a literature review
So we I packed like one article, and then I used other articles to compare it and critique it
Oh yeah, and I found that really interesting because it was like each sort of bit of a sort of it every bit of um
Research that I found it would
Lead me to more and like keep looking like you know the footnotes or whatever and like look up what heard they quoted me like
I can't write them too, and then add that in there what year was that that was last year, yeah
And I think there's probably actually sort of like the first time I've ever actually kind of understood how and you say what's supposed to?
Be done
Jesus
I
Thought those Lee sin that the glass deceived me, I thought it was just like a waste
Paint for words playing tonight in Dunedin as well well. No not Pink Floyd but
There's that one
So Social Work, I'm
More into the university side of things did you started off doing lore a yeah? That's right?
What didn't you like about that?
What what I made you change a
Couple of things like I didn't like the idea of
Representing people that I didn't agree with
And also the like case
Laura whatever it was like trying to pick a side
I wasn't very good at it like I just be like I can see the arguments for like I was I perceived both sides
Yeah, and I couldn't pick one
Yeah
I suppose like a lawyer should be able to see both sides as well. They should be able to represent both sides
Yeah, they have yeah, they should
Must be tough well, I feel like a lot of lawyers probably have a
Heap some moral barriers that they have to cross
in terms of their work
Yeah
I think it also depends on what sort of ear you get into and it's like I just wouldn't want to be stuck doing something
That I real that really wasn't that exciting to me like so sure I did one paper, and I absolutely loved it
I knew that this was like just for me. You know I didn't get that feeling with law
Mmm. You know probably same with music hmm
Yeah, was any music papers that you really didn't like
I think they're all pretty breezy. Eh oh
Yeah, they're all kind of bad. They're all pretty chill I've
Got to imagine music. It's got to be like one of the most chilled degrees
to be honest
Yeah, I was pretty cool sometimes I wonder whether I should done something else
Well it's the thing like what would have you done, I wouldn't have done anything else because at that age
I wasn't thinking about anything else
but you know hindsight's always an easy thing I
Like like I'm kind of interested in
This like psychology and stuff now
But something I could be interested in doing in the future would be doing like a PhD like trying to
Combine the two music and psychology and seeing all that what that what's happening there
There's gotta be a lot of shit going on there. Okay some like
Guesses of what's going on, but I haven't actually like looked into it
So that that's something I might want to do in the future I reckon
Depends on the situation yeah
No, it's cool
Yeah, I can psychology so cool, bro. I
Haven't actually done any psychology papers. I'd I'd neither I did one philosophy one well. I like philosophy as well
I've like I've always wanted to a philosophy paper is so interesting
It's Coleman all the ones that I did well the one I did Wow
Cuz I do a few classics papers as well which kinda is like philosophy a little bit cuz they've got like religious overtones to them
Throughout the whole thing pretty much
Stuff
Yeah, well the one paper. We did the one philosophy paper. I did was Plato. Okay. It was like 100 percent Plato
Socrates who was Plato but
That was cool. We just got to read like six Plato books and just talk about them in class and then
external was like
Just your standard essays
Another one I did four classics was one on Alexander the Great you know
It was cool. That was I really enjoyed that I've always liked that kind of ancient shit. Eh, it's fun. Yeah, I think it's cool
as I can
The really good storytellers, I reckon it's like
really good
But it's interesting like cuz I always had this bias against like religion and stuff growing up and like thought it was all bullshit
I don't know. I think it must have just been
Me being arrogant
Pretty much to me like that's bullshit. You know and not not even giving it a chance type thing
Ot oh, it's not even wasn't even whole T. Growing up though. No one. No one was into it
Maybe it was maybe as confirmation bias, maybe everyone else is like you know it's bullshit. I was like you know it's bullshit
but
There's a lot of bullshit like as in terms of if you read it if you're trying to read it logically and
Like factually it's pretty flawed. I feel like but if you're trying to read it for like
morality and
Methodically and like reading it like a story instead
There's some good shit to get out of it
And you know it's so I kind of like to view it as fiction a bit more now
and
Even though you know fiction is fiction. I mean, there's still a lot of truth in it like it's kind of almost more real
Than facts a little bit because they like they play out all the archetypes and stuff
That we all know so deeply like the archetype of a hero you think about that how that's used in like every single film
mm-hmm they obviously change the character shit, but you you look at the traits of the
Traits of a hero and you know like it's a hero like someone who steps out into the unknown
confronts the chaos
overcomes the chaos gets the prize
I mean the best example off the top of my head is like Shrek. You know
He's kind of like not a hero
But he is a hero he he leaves his safe bait his safe space of the swamp his companies like okay
I'll go out and to the unknown
Confront the dragon get the princess who was the prize
And he develops through it for the bitter so it's kind of like saying you have to leave your safe space in
Order to grow as a character kinda and fuck this there's good things to be found and the unknown, but there's also
Dangers and the unknown eg the dragon. You know it's not for the light hearted. You gotta be ready to face some shit
So I feel like that's kind of what a lot of the religious stories tell em like
Christianity and whatnot and it's the same thing with
With the classical stories like Alexander the Great and stuff, I'm sure that they're emphasized all has
All his great successes and whatnot button
Yeah, no I agree with you though, I think that's just good storytelling
You know that's always the goal is have someone you can look up to and admire ya and
see the value behind, I guess I
Really like films such as you know Harry Potter because it it shows a whole
It kind of shows getting bit nippy
It shows more than just the hero, you know Harry's the stereotypical hero, but he can't do it by himself that's the whole thing
That's everyone around him. You know Dumbledore's like the intellect that kind of like evil
Yeah, if it was like the little brave coward that improves Ron's the friend who's like
Kind of jealous, but like also like oh, I love you Harry
in a
Mine he's like just super smart
No
She does everything pretty much mm-hmm
I
Think was pretty cool. As well growing up getting to experience something like that and seeing such a strong
like
lead from those sort of characters, you know like it was cool seeing people valued for those sort of
Properties, that's the cool thing I like
They all represented a different part of being that is
They all represent different virtues kinda
But not it kind of also showed that not one person can hold all the virtues. No one's perfect
No one can be the perfect thing you need to have like a team of people
Who hold certain virtues so that you can work to give in use your strengths kinda like that's pretty beautiful theme?
Yeah, really you think about that you played that out in the real world. It's gonna work
Far more, and it's just about stepping out like that's why arrogant people can't do you know that's what they struggle to do is
Step back and see
What's been offered from other people who have different different skillset different virtues different values and also I gave everyone someone like it gave everyone
A character to identify with as well it did yeah
That's the thing it appealed to everyone. They could relate to something I who are you?
Who was my favorite character who dear can you related nice to?
See I would say you'd either be Ron or is it Sheamus
The guy that like blows shit up, I reckon yeah, you know I wouldn't say that I would say
The one who Hermione was poking a fabricator mm-hmm you Hermione
She was amazing though. She was just like such a good good hero, and such a good role model yeah
Yeah, she is she was uh so we both - well. I'm not saying. I'm Hermione. I'm just saying she was my favorite character
She was good. She's so hot damn she's good-looking
She's also really smart
And she's like thank you in real life man is she actually I'm just gonna. Sorry. I'm just gonna
there
She's in the real world Emma Watson. What does she do I've no idea what she doesn't realize? She's just Hermione
But she's gone to like a university like college and stuff in America
And she's also the UN Ambassador for woman you in investor forum or United Nations
So what would that role consists of she was the person that started the he Fushimi movement the water he for she movement
Could you could you explain that to me a little bit he for sure that's so that's feminism for me
So it's involving meaning the conversation and saying look we can't get here without you hmm
We need you to help us and it's say standing up and saying
Like I'm for you. I'm for supporting you getting in this getting
Getting support from males to help woman yeah
Yeah, and having them stand up and say look we see it's a problem - we want equality. Okay, yeah
Would you class yourself as a feminist understand like um like a third wave feminist or?
Yeah
Yeah, I guess I mean there's lots of different types of feminism. I mean I think the best
I mean
so what's your definition of feminism because I feel like this has been a lot lost and and
The conversation, but since like it started back in the late 19th century
Like well the first wave happened and that was that was pretty much for like
Yeah, and just getting into the workforce and shit, yeah
And then the second wave was like what the 60s and that was more about like sexual harassment
And reproductive health and stuff reproductive health and equality of opportunity and whatnot
I'm not sold on third wave I can see those two I agree if those two
The third wave seems you tell me what your type of feminism is I?
Mean, I don't think there's necessarily a type. I think anyone's supporting each other is the best way to go like supporting woman
I
understand how people might not see it, but I think it's I
Think the best way that I find sort of describe which people would be
Like looking at the things that you can do that what might make me feel uncomfortable like
You are able to walk by yourself
downers straight in the middle than I and not feel like
Unsafe means it's likely you're more likely to be attacked as a man yes
But at the same time we have an inherent fear that we are taught and you know you're taught
With you know you're taught to walk with your keys and between your fingers, so you can like yeah
I think that's definitely a part of woman's nature that they are that you can't really deny. It just the fact that me and I
Have that physical prowess over females yes, it's not even that though. It's the fact that it's like there's like it
Like sexual harassment and sexual assault was so common in New Zealand
Like it's like 1/4 or something
I mean all get sexually assaulted like that's ridiculous, and you can't say that that's a woman's problem one for harassment
sexual assault
What's assaulting?
It could be it's I mean people wait ok look at all right for instance look at like that glitter
you know that the woman who was walking around with a minute apps, and she was topless and
Some dude grab her boob
This year rhythm vines no rhythm in Alps, okay, I think yeah, I think was women else so like over in Central
And a lot of people were saying that she shouldn't have had her boobs out and it's like
well, why not it's her body and no one has the right to touch it and so anyone standing up for the person saying it's
Anything like it's anyone that touching you without your consent
anyone
not
acknowledging your autonomy as a woman and
Insulting that
Well, he's taking advantage of that is the issues that we still have okay. Yeah, I I understand how that would
Be very annoying frustrating just to play devil's advocate on the situation, and then you've also got the pay gap
There was advocate on that situation I
Think
is as a guy if you do see a
female
With her breasts out mm-hmm
it's
Kind of embedded in their nature to be attracted to that and want to look at that. I'm not saying they're that means we
hmm, okay
But that's super dig in there and when you think about that the reason that you're looking at
Boobs is a biological thing and it's because you're looking at a potential for a mate mm-hmm
And so if we take away the sickness of them water boobs actually therefore they're there to feed children
You're looking at a woman
I would also say they're there to attract males as well, though
But even then it's also showing that their potential is to feed children
It's what boobs are there for that's why you're biologically looking at them. Yeah, so
from there
You're not it's if you think about in a non-sexual way
You're just looking at our potential partners mate and thinking there's someone who would give
Give me healthy children yeah, and so like boobs aren't
Sexual they're just not it's not something that's there that it's a sexual thing, but they are for me, but they've been sexualized
There's a difference you
Think so cause I think that that might be part of their and better nature to be attracted to that even though you're saying
That's biological that we we see them when were like oh shit
Think we boil as you think okay?
potential partner good like
good for the kids and whatnot but
That's attractive to us, but that's what the attraction is and we we don't consciously think
We aren't consciously
Boobs have been over sexualized like look at woman who gets shamed for breastfeeding in public
Realistically that is what they are there for yeah, I know mate
Maybe they have been over sexualized, but like I don't think women have like
help themself in that matter though because
I think that they with women do wear more revealing clothing in nowadays and considering it looking back like a hundred years ago
thank you for sure fair enough like I
Mean do what you want to do like it's your body. You should be able to and if that makes you feel good and
Yeah, if that makes you feel good, but I also want girls that
have flaunted their assets will say and then they feel uncomfortable because me and are looking at
The assets that they're just playing with more eg cleavage or something mm-hmm, and they feel uncomfortable because I mean are looking at it
But we I feel like you've got a you kind of said it yourself. It's biological
to be attract yeah, but is this
It's being attracted, and he's just being a perv. Yeah, yeah
different I mean if you were just talking to me and you're talking to my chest like I'm not saying it's
kind of being a bit of a dick
But its differently it definitely is provocative if you're gonna walk around with a shirt. That is sporting your cleavage a lot
Can you not see how that might provoke me in to be I'm not saying anything harassment snot, okay?
But it's saying that they that I have the right to dress however
I want and not have someone come off and grab me yeah grab you I don't think that's fine
No, and that's what I think you should be like if you're ready to dress up. How you want and look sexy
Which is I mean that's kind of what they're going for right? They've got to be if they are flaunting
The assets they've got to be trying to attract the opposite sex right is that not that main goal not necessarily
There's also been studies saying that women dress up for other woman you want to impress other woman
So you're trying to make them jealous well, yeah, you're trying to be the most attractive person
most attractive person but attractiveness would be based from a male's perspective wouldn't
Yeah, but you still on those that opinion of the other woman to be jealous, but yeah, okay?
Yeah I understand that
But there's gonna be sight like the the side effect of that is that me and they're gonna be attracted to you. Yeah
and there's nothing wrong with me and coming up and talking to you like that's a
That's and I'm not saying that it's like I mean we're talking now like mmm like that's not the issue here
The issue is harassment in a society okay, yeah, I don't know the harassment rates at all or anything well
I mean is like have you been to town and have you seen guys like going up engraving girl asses
Like you can't say that you haven't seen I have seen yeah, and it's just things like that
It's like why the fuck has anyone got a right to do that yeah
I'm not saying that anyone should be able to do that though
That's not what I'm saying. I think that's wrong yes
There's also things like promotions and like
and
Pay gaps and different unpaid work versus paid work like who does more in a household and stuff okay? Yeah like that's still an
Unequal thing which is something that we all individually have to address, just um just back to um so your definition of feminism
feminism would be
Equality equality of opportunity yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, sweet yeah, so that's kind of more of a second wave thing
But it's also a third wave because it's we want opportunities for everyone and
everyone be able to
This is go out and go after the same things. This is a step. Yeah. I think yes third way still does be
Kind of representing that but they were represent a lot of other things and there's a lot of kind of
misconstrued though
Have you ever seen the documentary the red pill?
So it's this feminist
Who does
Goes and tries to find out
Someone Jay
But um she was a feminist and then she's are trying to find out the means in our in the men's rights
Like medicine or whatever yeah, it's the guys that are
Saying that hey, it's not so hard it's other side of feminism does the man side of feminism pretty much actually for men hmm
At the end of it, but it's not what feminism just because feminism has a female pronoun doesn't mean it's not supporting quality
You know I
Decide feminism is for me
Yeah, totally but um I feel like so this documentary basically showed this feminism
Transform to go against what now was classed as feminism this third wave feminism cause it's turning
People saying that it's turned into this
kind of man-hating fueled
Movement and
This is the stats I think it's about 80% of people
Believe that there should be equal equal opportunity between the sexes mm-hmm, but only about 14% of people
are feminists
Mm-hmm so you see what I mean, they're not the same any meds. It's not because it's been their word has been taken
one out of context
Into, it's been given like ideas that really isn't like it's a whole man-hating bra-burning sort of idea like
It's not passing some bad hashtags like kill all white men
I've never seen that one, but it's like it's things like the meter movement
It's like how many girls are coming forward and saying yes, I've been sexually assaulted
like majority
Like I don't want to say it
but like there are a lot of girls that have been and
Is there the society that we want to be a part of no we want to raise our mean and our woman to?
Not support that and not be okay with it when it happens
the other side of that
as there's been a lot of
False accusations as well that's inaccurate as a
joke I
remember because this was something that we learned that we looked at in sociology, and I've and
It's one of those things that out of like say a hundred people
to
Accusations will be incorrect. They're right. I don't know it's I've definitely I've definitely like herds and false accusations like firsthand
Yeah, well that's that's a shame that you've heard that
Doesn't help but like how do you know that how do you know that they're false?
because
Cuz they got proven wrong by their surrounding people like the majority
and that's how that's how it should work all that said I'm
That's really just haunting to hear because it's it makes everyone else who's coming forward
Feel like they can't when those sort of things are coming up and portraying that image is something. That's a regular thing
Stops people being upper come forward the other thing. That's bad about that. Is that women are lying about it
Sometimes mmm to try and get this victim status and put me in under
Okay, but the majority of them are accurate and so the men that have there need to be held accountable
But to sexually harassing and assaulting people not advocating for sexual harassment here at all no but - like
Not helping your cause if people are gonna lie about it, but to paint everyone with the same brush is not
But the best way to do it works both ways
You can't pay to over meter with the same breath, but we not that's not what the movements about yes
But it definitely seems like it's kind of moving that way a little bit. It's not it's not painting if
Basically all the main thing to get away for anything about sexual harassment as if it is wrong if it feels wrong it is
Like if there is if you're holding a hug
You know like okay the whole thing that came around. It was like I can't even hug a colleague now at work
it's like if you are holding a hug for too long, or if she didn't go in for it and
She's standing there uncomfortable
And you can tell that it is wrong like it's just it's just like looking at those things and not doing them. You know I
Get when you mean
But and when someone's trying to pull away, and you're still holding it
Okay, yeah, I get I get it. Okay, so what happens okay?
What happens if there happens to a man then is
That sexual harassment as well, or does it not work both ways of course. It works both ways meaning is sexually rest as well
Yeah, okay, okay? That's good. That's good
People don't say a lot of people don't believe that no I think one of the key things there is it's like
Often women like okay, so how idea of like violence?
Like not all men a violent however violence
Benefits all mean because dead threat of violence causes woman
To act in a certain way, you know you get I mean
Yeah, like you're policing yourself because of it's like that threat of walking in the dark by yourself
You know it police's you from doing it. I get ya that yeah, I can understand. Why women are scared
I understand that not all women either. No not at all especially out a few drinks
But um
Yeah, like there's the my main
Worry is I feel like this third wave of feminism and maybe even it's probably even moving more into a fourth wave now has got
A lot of men hating in it, okay?
Well, it's said that you feel that way but is a few minutes from that it's not what it's about
It's about creating an equal space and a safe space for all of us so
We don't have such huge rates of male suicide, and we don't have such
disparities in the workforce and
woman feel like they can go over kids and it'd be okay and
Mean feel like they can stay at home, and be stay-at-home dads, and it'd be okay totally I agree with that
But yeah, this is what I don't think that's what the the movement is representing anymore. I really I don't know
What examples of you okay apart from the hash tag like what other examples we've got of like being like mad at men okay?
so
There's kind of like this thing you'll know mansplaining mm-hmm
So that's kind of just a term that some feminists like to use
to
Kind of discredit a man trying to explain something
It kind of it's kind of just it's being
Denoting a man's opinion, so that's kind of its mean assuming that women don't know is where that comes from
So it's mean assuming that woman don't know about a subject
I remember I was watching a really funny example of like it was like the Prime Minister of Norway. She's a woman and
They were in this like economics committee meeting and this dude was explaining to her like what interest or something was
And another guy leans over and goes to her we go to that guy explaining
You know she's got the highest education and he cannot mic setup anyone in this room mm-hm
and it's just things like that just assuming they don't know and
Getting explained to you
There happens to me and just as much I'm sure it does but like it just it's been interned explain something
That's not a problem with me
And I'm not sure it happens as much though
Like is it a regular occurrence for females or females to explain things to you that you ready know about
Just as regular as a man, yeah
Yeah, it's heartily
I
Dare say I did say more often I would
But my cam
Maybe that's just you they can't yeah
That's what I'm saying. It's a case of case thing
It's not a man, but it's a term that we can all like laugh it and be like oh my gosh
There was a funny example like it's it's also unity as well. Yeah, okay, okay, so that's the other thing like it's
Like what you just said that where you can laugh at
Whereas we can't laugh we can't do the same back
Because then that is misogynist
But I guess it's like
You guys already have the upper hand and this playing field like you guys are like
Okay, the best position you can be born into in society is a white male
agreed
What do you mean by that like in terms of like genetic lottery
If you're gonna be born into any position in society I'd say for the best of Western culture
Based opportunities it is male
well, and white if you're talking from a biological just be no for
for the best like chances in life
Statistically you're better off two people in a white male. Okay, maybe because of the biology that comes with
males and the personality types it no
It's not personality. It's to do with
Position of society that you're born into so say you're a white male there are more mean than a white male in
positions of power and
They're more likely to hire someone that they see as
The same as them
Okay, yeah, this is this is I don't think you can categorize. White me and like that
I really don't think you can, but this is this is proven that um
There's more difference
Within a group, then. There is between groups
Okay, so if you want to categorize all white men as though. They're privileged which I'm not saying that it's everyone's approval
Everyone's got the orange struggle. That's not what I'm saying
I'm not saying it, but you're saying the best position you could be in yeah
if you had to if you had to pack out of
every single like
Option that you've got so you could be maybe a black man or a black woman, or you know
An Asian man, or you know etc
Mm-hmm the best option you could pack would be white man
You cannot disagree with it. Yeah, okay, I might probably have the best opportunities, but at the same time like is that not like that
Not just like mean being like okay
You're born a white man, so now. I'm gonna class you as though you've got this privilege and that
That's what you are
You're still gonna make yourself out of something. Yeah for sure you it's not dismissing your success
But it's like let's say someone
I mean is the same thing with privilege and entering general though like it's like someone who's born into say a really well off family
you're gonna have better life chances and someone who's not
Used to you're still gonna work for it, but you're not necessarily gonna have the same struggle that out of family has yeah
The thing I feel like is
white man might be getting blamed for being white men
Which we didn't perk just I don't I don't think that's an issue
Sophistical either wise do you guys still make a lot more money and you?
Have like there's like less crime rates
Poverty is a lot blade
It's not. It's not they're bad for you guys compared to like other races
Yeah
Like I think what do you want? What do you want? How was that air fault though? It's not your fault
That's not what I'm saying. Yeah. Okay. Okay? Well. What are you saying then just there? That's that just said it's a privileged position
Yeah
You just have to acknowledge it like that's it's it's not a hard thing to do
Hmm like I acknowledge my position is a white female society in a Western society like I'm very privileged mm-hmm
yes, I do believe I was born into a
Into a not a privileged position, but a very good position hmm
But like I don't know
What does it's like you have to by recognizing that privilege?
You can deem help equality within a society and just making it more equal with life by acknowledging it and like pointing it out
It's like it's evening the playing field for everyone else
Okay, yeah
Yeah
But as well as that also another point on your like
a feminist thing and how you think it's man-hating I
Mean that's an example of privilege there. It's like people who are
Who have been proven to have had more sexual assaults happen more domestic violence?
There's the pay gap as well as that less precision less promotions
You've got you're getting it like at least out of education than like a male would hang on
By
You expecting us not to get angry about that
It's privileged talking like it's a shitty situation
Don't expect people to not get mad about it. Yeah. Yeah, I hear you
I just feel like there's more variables than gender and race oh absolutely
And that's where intersectionality intersection now Ali feminism comes into it, which is you're acknowledging all the different?
aspects that come into it's not just
Intersectionality kind of points back toward on driving yet, which is individuality?
Intersectionality you take it to like six extremes of intersections
You're to the individual. You are one in a billion
Mmm-hmm so that's back to the individual so it gets rid of all this class guilt
We still have to acknowledge it we select to see it
For us to make any difference to make it society more equal as you have to acknowledge your privilege and be willing
to fight for those who
Aren't in that position to be able to do it for themselves I?
Hear yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not saying you shouldn't help people. I'm saying yeah
I definitely agree if equality of opportunity and fairness in society is always gonna be corruption in the world. There's no doubt about that yeah
but
Blaming a whole class of white male for him
But it's not blaming white male its sang acknowledged that this is the best bring it when like I'm not
It's not because I'm not turning around and saying every male
Sexually assaults every female. Yeah, it's not what it's not what any of us are saying because it's not
A little bit going on I don't think so okay. I think you're wrong. We gonna. Have a difference of opinion there
That's not what that's not will be saying. We're not saying that but we're saying it goes on
You know that it goes on acknowledge acknowledge that you see it, and then when you see it do something about it
You've seen that you've seen girls get their asses grabbed in a club
Stand up for them
I'm giving you an example of when you haven't and that's using your
Position as a male and of being a little bit more dominant being able to push someone off and say yo, that's not okay
Yeah
Well you don't have to be aggressive about it
What's gonna lead to aggression?
What's stopping it okay? Well then and of itself isn't it terrifying?
Can you not acknowledge that if they're dead?
You're scared to push a guy off and say that how on earth do you think a girl feels who is?
Biologically a lot weaker than him. Yeah. Yeah, but like if it's just a I'm not saying Oscar everything's fine
but its she's not under necessary a
Ripe fruit in the club she's not gonna get raped in the club
Yeah
Where do you want to say that people haven't been raped in clubs I don't know not in New Zealand probably I
Don't know don't weaken Google is right now
Hurt me, okay possible laptop you phone
How about how about we have a break okay?
Hate it. Oh
Song each yeah, what are we running um?
Nancy Mulligan Nancy Mulligan very good coming at y'all
Classic heed beautiful soul beautiful voice
So yeah, what'd you find out?
So there are differently lot quite a few instances
of people being raped in clubs in New Zealand, okay, unfortunately
There are also clubs. That sucks. Yep. They're also clubs about rape such as roast Busters. Oh, that's horrible
I found it was that
That would
Rape unconscious underage girls and put it on Facebook. Okay. What do you think that?
Just to kind of twist it a little bit. What do you think that um?
tenders doing towards
These feminist values in these this rape culture. Do you think that is playing a role?
Anything about tinder in general. What are you thoughts? I?
mean
It's making everything way too easy mmm like in terms of
It's literally just based off looks for one and then you find out about a person, and then you meet up
And it's not it's kind of just like
Like there's nothing like that exciting about it. You know
Whereas like I mean like the other day. I didn't have money to pay for parking and so
this was really sweet and
So I went
So I was talking to like the guy about it, and I was like look I don't have money to pay
I'm really sorry. He's like. It's alright. Just like leave
it's fine, but there was a dude that have been like listening to our conversation, and he just paid my parking ticket and
Then wrote his number on it and said you're welcome, and it was just like that's a really sweet thing to do man
Yeah, and it's like those sort of interactions like they don't have it like that was really nice
You know it was like someone being a genuine like Cooper. Oh, dude. No. Oh nice. Good on that guy
Mm. It. Was just like a really sweet nice things doing you
Don't really get to see that a lot nowadays
And I'm not necessarily saying that people should be like paying for me or anything, but it's like
It's this it's like it was just like the little nicer wallet. Yeah
It was a little thing that like me
Diane made you feel like a little bit special it kind of takes that like specialness out of it you know
Yeah, okay, so for you tinder is um
Taking away the novelty of that male-female interaction, I guess so it just makes it very easy hmm
Yeah, cuz what do I feel what I find with tinder is that?
There's different drivers
For why people who are on tender? I think some some people a lot of people use it for six
mostly of the male population I would say and they're very optimistic
That you will reply
And then I
Think that I think a main motivation for women will be to get that kind of like a
validation their ego boost kinda a little bit, they're like oh
people think I'm attractive condom, and I think that they probably enjoy that motion that kind of
Amount of people who actually just want to make friends
Probably not the right platform to meet I need to make one for that that eirick
And I think there is some
It's like do
I really want that for Christ Church because I feel like I don't know in our faithful here mm-hmm
And like I'm really nervous about the whole like so she's like cuz it's like you come from Geneva
And we you've got like your friends everywhere. Yeah, I
Mean like I've been like looking at I've been like looking at places, and I found a wine club, but it's like older people oh
Right pissing up folder people me, too
Or I can do fucking good times cuz they they capture the chase and they express their opinions whereas
Well, they're also more set in the opinions as well because as you out as you get already kind of crystallized into your own view
Of the world how you think everything's working, which is just natural and it doesn't mean you're right, or doesn't mean you're wrong
you'll be writing some things wrong other things, but
Yeah, at least I would like to tell you how they think it is most of the time
So that you can kind of just do like the hey, hey guys
What do you think about this and then
Whereas younger people might not for one not have an opinion, too
Copy someone else's opinion that they don't even know
But like claim to be their own
three
Too pissed - pissed
Like that's what I like doing that when I'm out and when I'm out in town and stuff well
that's why I don't like town as much because there's not as much talking that you can do it's always so loud and whatnot I
Want to have like I fuck the fucking back bar of the cook?
Remember the outdoor area of the cook did I?
Did you did?
Yeah, that was so cool cause like all talking leave all everyone's personal Frisch's pretty much more or less
It was just on find all the jugs like yeah, the cook was so mean
They shouldn't have fucking got rid of it, but clearly they weren't running off it
And everything's going actually
The country
I tried to sneak into that up the fireworks at once
We got cool
It's fun though I would always go for this dude you mean the fever
Was like on the way to town, there's like a it's like an oldies bar kinda it had like a head the under floor lights
And the stripper pole yeah great time, but um yeah
it was never it was never really that packed and they had these awesome shakers they get and
Then um
yeah, there's quite a
There's some older characters in there, and then there was like some younger people in there going
I'm kind of having a bit of a laugh and whatnot and they played great numbers great numbers
Anyway, this was back fence and that was the first club. I went to
yeah, just climb over that back fence so easy I
felt like a boss
When did you first get into like a bar I 16, I use yeah a fakie
Man girls mousqueton will fake he's way easier again fuck so many girls. I see like 14 year olds now at you 25
Are you 25 some people look so old like you? I wish I knew how to do that
I wish I knew how to look or not I
Feel like I look so young
I'm not looking you do look quite young I'm not getting asked for ID as much nowadays, though
So I'm so don't get our ID I'm not I'm like do I look like
I'm kind of like
Birds definitely make a huge difference. It's because it's me
It will be it's a big thing because you're not allowed to ever be in high school. Yeah
so if you can't it's not just having a beard as having like a not like a
Thick beard not just like a we kind of like patchy little thing here, but actually like growing here. You're proud of it
And I'm actually it's quite long
Do shape it
I turned it last week
It looks very shaped, but I am yeah quite shaped it last week a bit I gave it
I gave it a number seven last week fancy
Yeah, I'm gonna go for a number eight soon, but then that's my highest here Club, but I've got soon
Then I'm just gonna let it once I do a number right
Let it grow how big not only for like another month, so
I get that big because I want I don't want I want to shave it off touch Nance I think
Does it make you, I don't know look, but I definitely sweep more now, so I'm gonna say yes on
Your face yeah, I sweet heaps up here and sure okay. I reckon it must a must like we age
Hey, yeah, I'd say that probably a variable as well
But yeah, I think I'm not like it must make it hotter surely, oh yeah, thanks right here, I'm sure yeah totally
Yeah, I should shave my hair off as I just go completely bald my eyebrows. You could donate it
How would I do that? I don't know why here you donated your hair
Are you donate it to the wig foundation was only yeah freedom week since Needham. They're right?
Because it's definitely like once I chop my hair off. That's it. I'm not going my hair back again, but
We'll grow really long and at least donate Exene so it can go to someone who actually needs
Yeah, I probably when I do do it. I'll probably like
Such a staple now look like really
I
Know I only got long hear about that about the start of 2016
I started being able to tie my hair up really badly to like I could only just tie it up
Was he like the musician look okay? It's like good musician look. I'd wanted here for a long time
long here for a long time
Yeah, and then
But there's always that there's this awkward phase where it's too much in your eyes
But you can't tie it back and I always always landed on sports seasons
Yes, I was just like I can't I can't play sport if I have my hair like this
so I had I'm just gonna at the chopper, so then I just didn't play sport one season and
Then I just went for it got it done, and now it's fine once. It's out the way. It's fine
It's just that real awkward zone of half long. How short that you can't tie it
It's a real bear
Yeah, I mean you can also skip to the point as well away, but which is probably a bit easier
But like a good part of it is
If you are gonna be seeing someone you do have to be physically attracted to them really yeah
So first like a little bit, but it's at the same time. It's like I
Think the thing with tinder is it's like
They're people. They're going on the affair fuck
I mean there's people that are going on the edited like have a date and like it's not someone
I think that's when it gets a bit confusing because it's like you don't know what people's intentions
But there has been like these different dating platforms arising where it's
Like
For academics or some bullshit tinder for academics and then like bumble has the one where the woman has the message first
Yeah, which is kind of cool because most of the time on tinder a guy will miss it first
Not a high success rate of getting a reply
Maybe it's me
What's your
Line I'll mix it up come on. Let's hear a few I
Get bored I normally try and
No, no we'd go for something that
Relates to one of their photos or their bio or their Spotify anything? That's on their profile try say something
Yeah, we went on ten today once that was kind of how we
Mainly meet each other meet each other at party
Parties great, maybe it wasn't even like a party
I know have in your house some hell that wasn't my house or your friend's house no, Jess
Jake's house no. Well I was there
It was around. Yeah, cuz that was it not oh, yeah, Bacon's
Like yeah, that's pretty much. Why we talk to each other cause like never asked were that pissed yeah
That was
My initiations do it, but it wasn't even initiation
I know I know
But like you just did it because I felt like it some of these initiations are so much worse as well, though
That's the thing I've a band now initiation thing yeah
What do you think about that I
mean I get
Tradition but then there's there's disgusting shit that should not happen, and I feel like pelicans have one of those things
Woman someone's melt. That's so gross. It's disgusting. It's go beyond hygienic anyway, but um
Yeah, I don't know I suppose it's just the attack
I think a taco you knees just trying to lose that kind of scarfing name a
It's been here for so long it's not gonna just leave oh, I think it's diminishing though. I think like it well
Just don't know like my mom and shit
It sounds like was way more hectic back then yeah, but they always say like that's like
But we understand the riots and shit
But they had like you know do you know the Gottis yeah, yeah like when the marsh see there was a pub?
Yeah, yeah, but there was someone got shot there
Hectic, but it wasn't even a student. It was a gaming but come came back and shot someone
Yeah, but it still it's still in the student student Ville. You know it's part of the culture still attributed to the sky
Yeah, I mean like hide straight and stuff
Yeah, yeah
Mad that's what I mean. Well. I feel like it is dimande 500. That's that doesn't have anymore I
don't know I think I think students will always just get pissed and
Have extremes
I know, but I think's Dunedin got a real sense of community though
compared to like most you knees
Understandably, so like we are surrounded by each other hmm. It's like the SEPA pool
This little bubble of hormones all cramped in there's one place doing in the exact same stage in life
bullshit a new way through uni
But mainly pissing up
Because the only thing that we can afford to do
That's fun
It's great
No it has to be on form for a pelican
No it has to be like real real real fucked up
And under some serious peer pressure
some serious papers
But man, I don't know that peer pressure. Okay, good I
Hope I burst on the camera
No, I'm just trying to remember the night that we meet though
Because I ended up back at your place
Because we're just hanging out and I was talking to your friend because he's just broken up with his girlfriend
No, no, no you didn't end up in my place. You might have ended up at the other place in between
Cuz oh, maybe I don't know but like we we were neither like
Like even talking that much. I was mainly talking to your friend because he was upset
Yeah, I can't really mean that
He was upset I mean, but I remember their
Parties Pisan best parties are the best
I was like a Monday as well, I think
Two years ago yeah because you were like I'm leaving nice to meet you
I couldn't
So you know, but that was like a fun I
Tended so much fun. If you go out on dates with people well we had a fun day
fuck yeah, fuck
Yeah, got the conversations flying. I have the best conversations
Yeah now that was me not carve away fuck our ball is beautiful no
Fuck it is beautiful
Use your mum's car yeah minko
Right
Fuck Dunedin actually Loki has some mean scenes around day
It's one of those places like I can't wait to like bring friends back like and be like oh, yeah
This is where I went to uni and like will go to all the walks and like go to st.
Claire and like you have like lunch at starfish and like there's so many nice things, dude
no way, you know I've just always taken them for granted because
Dunedin has always just been
Right there. I mean coming from the big dirty clothes rip
But yeah, just an hour up the road is like I never really well in general
I'd never really look to sightsee and like do the nature things and whatnot
until I went to America and then I was like well, I better get out and do some shit and then
Then I was like holy shit. This is mean. Well. I should go just like man
I don't even know where the fuck. I live like let's go look around that place
Since then drive the new to New Zealand, New Zealand
Great little country. We've got here
When you say like do the walks do you mean like the big big motherfucking walks, yeah like the great day years old
Yeah, the great walks of fun
Doing one
Neither but that's the Lord of the Rings yeah, no Johnny, I mean, I don't do that one
There's one on the west coast you walk for like 8 hours. You end up in a natural hot spring
Sorry I've got a really sore back
That's me off man, I have like a slip vertebrae in my back just now and then just always plays that I know
It's actually been pretty good
But man it was a burden
There's a burden you got any bed like injuries or anything that just fuck with you not really
I overly flexible like hips and then kind of like
Running I'm supposed to do like physio some shit, but it's like they take so much time on a good day
No
Yeah, did you yoga?
Not very good things things like in one place like I'd like to like go do things
Yoga is kind of moving there
Yeah, but it's still in one
Spot I got yeah. Oh yeah, so your environment has the judge, yeah
Do you like our walks and stuff?
I've been running about lately. Oh yeah. How's that going? It's good problem. I've hurt my back now
Where do you normally run like just around the streets, or do you go to the gems line napped like the reservoir?
And then he'll I mean down what whore and stuff I still haven't been in the reason why?
It's closed at the moment you have to like cross the stream and do another part of it instead
Well there you go, you're missing out doesn't mean
It's native remember I tried to do it one day
Just like this way they ended up like a random spot back on the streets I
suppose this isn't
Lots of science I think we're trying to be adventurous
Now you can't have to follow the trick because yeah, you kind of like following like push up through
Like couses on either side sort of thing hi
Can you drive up to it, can I yeah can you drive right to it, yeah?
I mean because you got the reservoir, and then you got pineapple track which leads you up like Flagstaff, ooh
Curios Fran costs the dog Frankie oh
I
Wanted to close with that you're wrong, I just wanted to talk a little bit
About enemies, okay, so I
feel like
We had quite a good quite a good argument then
Mm-hmm well, I don't know it was um. It was kind of it felt quite a bit tense
but um
That's what I enjoy there. I think it's like what needs to be done
And then being able to like just not care about it not take it personally at the end of the day
Genuinely just trying to find out some shit
And like that's how you do it by having the two different sides of the argument so in that case. I'm kind of saying
You were kind of like an enemy, and I was kind of like your enemy a little bit
that's that's making it sound very negative, but like I
Just feel like there's a lack of
appreciating enemy's point of views at the moment as well I
Guess maybe it would be better to say opponents, okay, yeah
However you want to say I think it is quite
Hot for other people to see each other's point of view because everyone's so sure of their own opinions
and
I think it goes both ways like both sides have to be willing to listen to the other
Which isn't which is quite hard to do when you're sure of yourself
And you're sure of your values in your opinion really hard to do
Yes, so it's like the only way that because the fact of the matter is
There's so many people in the world and we all have a lot of different opinions on different things
And you're never gonna be able to tell everyone what the opinion what the right opinion?
Is there's always gonna be opposites?
and we need the opposites because sometimes one sides right and sometimes the other sides right you need to be able to talk between the
two and figuring that
when it helps your argument -
Definitely definitely, it's very good feels very healthy, but I'm a good example is when you're talking about borders
And it's like
obviously conservatives are more like
Let's close the borders and let's have thick borders so that no one can get in but you know sometimes. It's the right answer Frankie
Nearly done, and then sometimes having really close borders is the right answer, but then at the same time
Liberals are more likely to be like no let's open the money and let the information come in which is also
required at times as well, but like
The reason that I would say the sometimes borders need to be closed. I mean you can think about like the Native Americans and
their porters before the Europeans came over
I mean it was just a simple
Basically a simple handshake that kind of fucked over the Native Americans because all the diseases all the diseases spread
So in that case they would have been like fuck
I wish those borders were closed for us right then because there is dangers from outside
You know it's the unknown that holds dangers holds the Dragons what we're saying before and you've got to be careful about liniment
But if you don't meet them in then you can't learn as well
And you can't gain new ways to progress so you need the bow if you need the conversation you know yeah
And then once we once we aren't able to do that
once it leans too far to one side I
Think there's only one way it can go
I think it's kind of like it's kind of like it would be if it leaned too far one way. It would be like a
Very intense spread of a religion throughout the whole world that kind of indoctrinates the whole
Dictatorship totally which happens in nations, but like it's kind of like if an ideology
Ideological point of view became so prominent in societies, and it keeps spreading spread all over the world
It's never gonna fall eSATA spy everyone because everyone's always gonna have different opinions. You know I mean yeah, no I totally agree
But and that's not saying that you can't be sure in your opinions and stand up for what you believe in
It's just saying that you need to be able to
Try and stand up for your own opinions and listen to the other side and try to I mean I think that's the biggest issue
Is it's like people are so sure of their opinions? You're not willing to listen to the other side, and it's like you've got to
You need to see where other people are coming from and it's I think like as much as it hurts
yeah, but I think a lot of it though like I
Mean just from what I've seen in
the media and stuff a number of people like sign up for themselves like a
lot of like the liberal arguments for things are them like rebutting and
often it's like
Sometimes you do find like I feel like often the most close-minded people people who have like made their judgments and then found the facts
for those judgments
Yeah hard
Sorry
So close-minded people make
Frank he's back
So yeah, what was that sorry?
The closed mind I think it's the issue is when people pass like form their opinions
And then find facts to back up their opinions mm-hmm
I think that people should be trying to form their opinions, and then trying to take down their own opinions
You know instead of trying to affect trying to find facts that back up the opinion trying to find facts that make their opinion flawed
And then you get a better argument - it's like our discussion that we had before it's like
We've both probably gonna come away from that with a bitter like argument for like other scenarios because we've come across
You know different opinions sadly, but just interacting with
the other side
is good because you get a little insight to how other people think and
Like I was saying like it puts you under pressure to like it puts you under pressure to have your argument straight and to have
Your point of view a bit straighter to try to find yourself
but at the same time is it's the whole listening thing you have to try and listen to the
argument even like
Even when you disagree like you have to try I feel like you should just try and find one
One or two things that you're like okay?
Oh, okay, and then like if you can find one or two things that you're like. Oh yeah, that kind of makes sense and
Sometimes it's like a domino effect a little bit. Okay. Yeah, I see where you're coming from
And you both, I mean huge thing with like politics unlike anything
It's like you need to be able to find a middle ground where you guys can
compromise on yeah
Totally, that's the thing and that's why you know in America, it's pretty much been the trend of
going from
Democratic to Republican Democratic to Republican to Democrat or Republican and that's that's pretty much explains
Like we need the both sides and the people need the both sides. That's what happens people like okay. No
We actually kinda need it we need to chill out in that front
Front as well
Yeah, and like too annoyed with them
Not like finding a middle ground and not like listening to what they are thinking about then
They go way too far one way, and then they're like oh hang on that wasn't actually what we want
totally, I feel like yeah what I try I try to I
Try to say what I think is not being heard more than
It's not like a hundred percent of my opinion necessarily, but like I try say what's not being heard
Wait I like to I do like to have a debate for sure
But at the same time, I think like that's the stuff knees needs to be heard as well
I feel like a lot of the shit
I say I don't even know what I think about like I'm just like actually for one love a debate and for two
I'm like well. You know they have a point of view and it's valid so if they think that it should be
Should be explored at least it shouldn't be written off as though. It's nothing I
Think we should maybe close this up or ask Frank. He's going to
Quickly do a little higher virtue just
Know if that's like a good name for today do you think that that's a good metric we've already done it but
Because we did oh
There you go
Okay, hi overshoot is time
Really mm-hmm OCD or untidy icy comfort or adventure nature
Compassion or competition
How many your honesty
Honesty group or solo discussion
Group
purpose or pleasure purpose
happy and sad or content a
Content question or answer
question
Answer answer may be no
In-betweens
Okay Christian answer
Question then I don't know
Power to the individual or group
Power to the individual power to the group group yes or no
Yes
Very good. Hey, thanks to e I would I'll give you a clink anyway a
Awesome, thanks guys episode 6
Was good, that's fun ah yeah, I look back. I look forward to hearing this one back this would be good
Good to get some a little bit of debate guy
What I got I don't think I've got anyone else planned yet. Hope you get onto that
yeah, I want to get at least 10 this 10 ah
Yeah, I'll see you in the next one anyway guys catch up
You
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