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welcome to interview portion of power
talk I'm here today and privileged to be
with the gentleman that I'm sure you're
familiar with I'm introducing it to him
you haven't been around very much it's
probably more of a reintroduction and
that is dr. Wayne Dyer we're here in
Hawaii and his escape route where he's
writing another book and if you're not
familiar with Wayne you should be
certainly he's written some of the
best-selling books of all time in the
area of personal development your
erroneous zones pulling your own strings
the sky's the limit
gifts um I guess and you'll see it when
you believe it when I just want to first
thank you for letting me get a chance to
share with your family my figure yeah
that was a I walked into to see Wayne
and his family and I got a wife and
children
didn't know that oh yeah I was really
impressed because when they walked in my
children are very open and very loving
but very often a stranger will walk in
and they are very skeptical and they
check you out first like animals do and
they were just they jumped right onto
you please there's an invisible quality
that people send out and if you have AI
think if you have a love for children
that says an awful lot about you and of
course I have a-you know you're great
death because of you know my children
are the most important things in my life
and I could tell that you're a wonderful
daddy too all right Evan I appreciate
that very much well I think one of your
gifts from my perception is the ability
to have that child be totally alive
inside of you that's what we're
happiness comes from when it's natural
but when we start out by getting a
little we always start out our talks on
a little background on people here so
why don't you tell us where did this
philosophy of no limits this this
lifestyle of really living life to the
fullest where did all this come from to
you where did it start I know you had
some painful challenges starting out in
your childhood you know what they were
challenges they weren't painful ha they
truly they weren't I grew up in I spent
a 6 or 7 years in a series of foster
homes my mother had three boys by the
time she was just a very young woman and
my father was it spent some time in
prison and he was a abusive and an
alcoholic and an irresponsible person
and he was he stole from everyone and
this is why he went to jail and he also
just abandoned his family when I was
just an infant I was born in 1940 and my
brothers were born in 38
thirty-six so there was a depression at
that time I was a horrible financial
times my mother was working as a candy
girl for kreskis on each side of Detroit
making $17 and trying to feed three
children and and figure out how to deal
with the beatings that she was getting
and the abuse and so on so I ended up in
a series of foster homes with my brother
my oldest brother went with my
grandmother and we were all reunited
when I was almost 10 I come from a
position at this point in my life that
there's there no accident that the
University on purpose
and I know you you know I mean I know
your material as well as you know mine I
listen to your tapes and read your books
and know that we have a lot of
similarities there and I think that the
childhood experiences that you get even
the ones that we quote call painful are
lessons and there are exams given and we
have passed them or we just keep reading
yeah all right over and over again and
so I look back upon that I try to look
back very objectively on those years
when I was in a foster home and in the
years when I was away from my mother and
things were happening that everybody
else would sort of categorize this as
horrible and painful and when you're a
kid you don't wake up every day and say
I'm an orphan again today isn't this
awful yeah I don't know but he teaches
you that ain't what that's right I'll
let you unless you process and I was
always the one in the in the places that
I lived where a mother would bring in a
new child it was just all it was was
just poverty I mean it was nobody had
anything and so everybody that ended up
in these various homes was just because
they didn't have anything it wasn't it
wasn't any anything other than that and
the mothers would bring their children
in or somebody would but the church
would bring a child in and they'd always
say go get Wayne and I was always out in
back either playing or meditating or
having a good time because it was on a
was on a farm like I mean there were
chicken coops and there was a lot of
apple trees and peach trees and you know
it's just to me it was just it was just
where I was I mean what else do you know
and they'd say where's Wayne and I'd
come and they'd say Duane this is Martha
I remember one time and this little
Martha was crying and she was all upset
and they said Wayne the teacher taught
us how to spell her name and I was about
three years old I had no idea how that's
affected and I do
started guessing at it and see that now
that's not right and when we went off
and with it was like I was the one that
somehow had the my purpose whatever it
is that you want to call it was about
teaching other people that they didn't
have to be depressed because of the
circumstances of their life and I seem
to always have known that you make a
really interesting point because so
often people who are depressed or see
themselves as best as part of their
identity and they have great times
throughout the day yeah but the other
day they don't remember any of it yet
you know I'm so depressed all the time I
think that's one of the key differences
between successful and unsuccessful
people by the way is that is that
successful people have a tendency to
really recall the good yes they remember
I mean I I think of my days at the mrs.
scarfs house out in Mount Clemens at
2:31 town hall row and I think the only
painful that day I can ever remember was
the day that her husband died and it was
just I just didn't understand I mean he
was he was there one moment and he was
gone the next in a and the only other
one is I had appendicitis when I was a
child and I got rushed to the hospital
but when I think of my time in the
hospital with appendicitis in 1948
I remembered the flowers and I remember
the people I remember the nurses there's
also a great big black nurse who would
come in and put us on her knee because
they had to give us penicillin in those
days in these huge huge and they used
all needle from huge stone and she was
always the one who would coddled me and
take I mean I and I remember seeing my
mother every day I mean she came to a
hospital every day after working where
she was and that was just glorious I
don't remember any other part of it and
I have a tendency to do that I've been
through a divorce and I talked to my
ex-wife who is now remarried and I'm
remarried and our lives are in nice
places and we're very good friends and
all that but whenever we would talk
about what was going on in our marriage
she would always point out all of these
things but I didn't even remember you
don't take the kid on Halloween I do I
remember be there I thought I don't know
whether I just created it or what I look
back on on my marriage to my boyfriend
and a wonderful time I think she was
great we just had to we just had to move
along I've never looked back and thought
oh isn't that awful never done that well
you talk so much about having
reality-based
thinking and yet isn't reality based on
whatever we focus on oh yeah reality is
just what I think about all day long we
are what we think about all day
it's like that's the most important
learning I think I have come to over the
years is that this body that we're in is
really just like it's like a garage
where we park our soul it's just a place
to put it you know and so you take good
care of it and you do all that but this
isn't what it is
I've talked often about when my
grandmother died and she they weighed
her just before she went to the hospital
she weighed 133 pounds and life left her
body her body didn't weigh any less
I mean her life her very life was
invisible and weightless as is everyone
who's listening to it now so you're just
sort of trapped in this body temporarily
and it is you're not to be thinking of
it as as who you are but your reality is
how you process it and that's one of the
great lessons I was talking to you one
of your producers John yesterday about
somebody here who had come up to me and
was very negative toward me which is
very rare do I ever attract anything
like that so this morning I was
meditating on that thinking why did I
attract this negative person who was
very angry at me for being on his
property when I shouldn't be or
something like that and I kept getting
back into meditation and if I could
perfectly for a whole day and then I was
like over it in a second thought all
right instant awakening it was like this
is only a problem for you because you
process it the guy who came into your
life in a negative way is just past that
he's on your reality is how you are
living with it you know it's like he
came in to teach you a lesson and the
lesson is that you don't have to process
him like that any long and it was gone I
realized that it was all totally within
my power to let him go and to send him
love and I did I sent him a couple of
books I follow where he works and the
you know I sent him a lesson it may take
him 20 years before he even Reiser he
may never get it on this path he may
have to go through it all kinds of times
and carry around that arrogance but it's
not mine I don't have to own any of that
so wonderful it's a most freeing thing
you have in the world to know that you
can process life any way you want to
when you say process with clarify that
you really mean changing the way you
think about things Astor's probably so
internally absolutely yeah
you've gone through an incredible
evolution and in the spotlight and over
the since 1976 I guess your first book
came out right and I was just a kid I
was 16 watching you but I remember
seeing on TV yes
I got sandals older than you what am i
doing at dinner here remember what do
you into office and think it's that
guy's hot yeah guy really is it one
thing what's really true you know if you
didn't have anything else about you
about what you really felt and you're so
clear in your communication that it's
done people yeah it was sort of had a
sort of us not arrogance but I know
Armas amount of confidence yes that not
a deal with that no I can remember being
on the Donahue show and The Tonight Show
and a few shows like that and saying
things that that they were they were so
shocked at that they asked me to come
back the next week and I wasn't doing it
for shock value but it was literally
what I've been saying all my life
generally I just had a bigger audience I
mean I've been saying it as a
schoolteacher and I've been saying it as
a college professor and at the lectures
that I gave and you were therapist for a
while - oh yeah for many many years yeah
what made you decide to write a book in
the beginning writing is like is the way
I just expressed my soul writing isn't
something I do writing is something that
I am and and therefore it just it just
comes out I have to write I mean like
Picasso had to paint you know you know
and it's like asking my wife you know
why are you such a great mother you know
I mean wondering this is who she is and
she's just absolutely divine at it
writing I've been doing since I wrote my
first novel when I was about 15 years
old Wow yeah and when I was in the Navy
I spent four years in the military after
high school and I wrote three books
while I was in the service none of them
were ever bugs I wrote maybe a hundred
essays mostly on the things that I found
objectionable about the military you
know see whether one and I would design
ways to get around it without being
beaten down by it because I realized I
couldn't beat the United States
government the United States Navy yeah
and I couldn't go give speeches about
how absurd it was but I also didn't have
to be inspected you know the word they
would come along and stand you up and
make you you know shine your shoes in a
certain way I just figured out in my
mind which is where everything begins in
your mind how could I get away with not
ever getting inspected again and still
be a part of this
stuff and in four years I never had
another inspection after I left boot
camp did you pull it off every time an
inspection would come along I would
figure out a way to be someplace else
where it would absolutely be necessary
for me to be someplace else the only
time that I was a little bit devious is
when I had somebody when I tempted
somebody to steal my shoes so that I
couldn't go I had to leave them up but I
would rather have lost my shoes and buy
a new pair then family needs express
individuality instead of anyway whatever
is necessary to it absolutely and I and
I left that the service knowing that I
wouldn't ever go back to then it was a
great lesson of being in the military
yeah the great lesson is that life in
your life you have to learn not only
what you love but what you don't love
and you have to experience I think what
you don't like and then know it and then
know how to go beyond that it spend the
time in the place you want to live yeah
how you want to be yeah that's me I know
when you put your first book together
well first of all could I mention what
you shared with me downstair you can
mention anyway I appreciate that I got a
chance to visit with Wayne downstairs
and his room where he's doing his
writing here in Hawaii and I was amazed
that there are some similarities between
us but I think maybe even more extreme
on your part and that is when I'm
writing I'm constantly pulling out all
kinds of ideas from many different
sources but they're like 50 or 60 books
thrown out all around Norway and sit and
write and he bounces along and pulls
from each of these now why don't you
describe a little bit about how you
write because I think it's how you also
how you live vigil trust there it's
called surrendering I learned to do it
about 10 years ago when I really honed
this and that was when I was speaking in
Houston there were about 3,500 people
who had all paid a lot of money to come
and hear me and it was an evening with
Wayne Dyer and I had all my notes all
arranged in exactly the way I wanted to
and everything was just exactly perfect
I was backstage doing the pacing that
you do before you go on and they're
meditating and then the breathing and
they're just getting yourself relaxed
and and there's sort of divine guidance
that you're seeking and I realized that
I didn't have my notes they were gone
yes and they were back in the hotel room
which was 30 minutes away and I was
going on a 10-minute so I walked out on
stage without any notes for the first
time and I surrendered in that 10-minute
period of time I just said alright you
know what you're doing you know how to
do it and you're
and you're here for a reason and there
are 3,500 and one people in the room in
this room and you're the one who's
speaking at 3,500 it paid to come and
hear you there must be a reason for that
and and so get on purpose
get on purpose get off of your outcome
get off of how well you do get off of
how much money you're being paid get off
of all of that and get on to what are
you here for yeah and you're here to
improve the quality of life for somebody
else that's all you can do when you when
you leave this planet when you the
measure of your life won't be in what
you accumulated it will be in what you
gave you since you can't get anything
anyway it's in giving so I just like I
surrendered and that was the beginning
for me of surrendering I've never used
notes since in my life there's nothing
I'm not prepared
I meditate through the before and I know
what I want to do and I do that now with
my writing I it gets to a point where
you absolutely have a knowing you
there's two ways to learn one way is to
fear and doubt and so you learn the
through suffering well or another way is
to learn through knowing just just an
absolute knowing that you have guidance
available to you and you're not alone
and that you can handle this and then
and there you have a choice to feel that
way right now I matter what is happening
in the environment absolutely so I
surround myself with the people and the
books and the ideas and the things that
I want and I know that they will be
there I have an idea when I'm I know the
areas I want to write about into the
areas of prosperity and creating health
in your life and in your relationships
and your relationship to yourself and
these kinds of things I know about that
right so I know what my chapter titles
are and my headings are and things like
that and the rest of it I just
absolutely trust and when I when I stop
it isn't I was going to say stuck
because but I don't get stuck I don't
have anything called writer's block
anymore I can write forever I mean I get
my typewriter just goes and goes and
goes and sometimes it's it goes so fast
that it's smokes I mean it's like it's
just it's just going over the problems
you're going to type right there you've
got a typewriter down there but you can
set the same type of use it's like a
riddle yeah yeah at the same time right
I've written everything I've ever
written smith-corona that's an old old
one yeah what you talked about living in
the now now there are computers way what
I know here but why do you think what
they were with me but I have a I have a
thing of
computers I have some judgment there
that I probably have to work on but they
go like weird in your computers I did
yeah they collect so much information
they're sort of a Big Brother it's kind
of about compare to take away freedom
yeah yeah there is something like that
and it's like you push a button and
everything that you ever did when you
wet your pants the taiga I know it's
written in there all of the tough
skeletons I have my closet or in
somebody's computer if you don't want to
contribute it outta be paranoia but
maybe not but anyway it's this trusting
that you get to that allows you to not
just not just to write well or not just
to speak well which is what I do whether
you're driving a cab whether you're a
dentist or whatever it's what they call
flow have you seen the book flow yes I
have I can't pronounce the author's name
but it is agaaca blink scare something
like but it's a fabulous
yeah whole notion that you you get
passed judgment and and I do this in my
tennis I play tennis every day
yes had a pretty decent Club level and I
have found my best tennis flows from
when I'm off of outcome and I'm on
purpose when I'm just out there being
impressed by you is to see your children
because your children live by flow yeah
they do and you know when you walk in
there and they attack you and love you
and jump all over you yeah but you know
that was such a that was my highlight of
yeah maybe you wonderful we met before
that's right we hating it was really the
best experience I got it but you see
there like that because my wife Marcy is
like that and I like that yeah our
relationship is like that and I really
believe that Tillman emulate what they
see around them because if you want to
teach your children you don't have to
read a lot of books about about how to
do it you just have to model what it is
you'd like them to become just do be
that around them all the time we get on
a plane now we've been coming to here to
Hawaii since those children were infants
are they were conceived all of them were
conceived right here in Hawaii I mean
this is a very very special magical
place be careful yeah we're so near out
right now I made the child everything oh
my god but when we get on the plane we
live in Florida now we come to Hawaii
now that's halfway around the world
alright that's that's a 13 hour deal and
when we get in the back of a plane we
fill up a plane those children every
single time we never give them any
instructions we never tell them you have
to be good you
not say anything or we're going to get
you or anything like that we just get on
the plane and when we get off everybody
on the plane always comes up to us and
talks about all of our children and how
wonderful they are they're there they're
in the moment they enjoy the plane if
there's a movie it doesn't matter if
they've seen it 16 times doesn't they
watch the movie they're playing with the
stereo stuff they're listening to so
they walk around I mean but they're
always very peaceful they're very joyful
and they meet other people on the plane
and they even calm down other babies
around them just like they say about
about Christ you know or Mother Teresa
and that all comes from the kind of
relationship that my wife and I have and
I I couldn't agree with you more here
but most people try to teach your kids
what to do but they live a different
lifestyle kid zealously I'd say they do
it cigarettes and telling the kids now
you shouldn't use drugs we rather have
got back to talking about I can't
understand where the children live if
they don't get it could ya tell me I
know you have a discipline of running
and you're doing that right before this
interview yeah you've been doing it
every day for how long in October of
this year I will have completed 15 years
without missing a day of running a
minimum of eight miles that's amazing
and as a result of doing that and
meditating along with it I haven't had a
day of illness in 15 years I've had a
few fevers I've had a few of this and
that'll - sniffles but I haven't had
anything any influenza any colds and
anything that would keep me from running
that distance and I've had some I'm an
athlete so I've had some bad injuries to
my legs and all of that but I've always
been able to run right through them and
instead of it taking weeks and weeks and
weeks for these poles and these injuries
to heal they're usually healed in a day
or two because I think circulation is
not only the key to understanding the
universe that's a key to understanding
the universe that you are you got to
keep yourself circulating all the time
you can't let an old person move into
your body
good point yeah behind every old person
is a young person saying what the heck
happened just think you know I had I
remember when i teaching psychology i
came across a great poster it was a
whole line of babies it's little face
and they were all gurgling and laughing
and just like the ones that you just saw
down there and then underneath it were
another row of pictures with all these
old people who were just all sitting
there and depressed and then looking
down and are not happy and what
skulls on their face and the heading
said what happened yeah let me ask you
what is your major focus of what you're
trying to share now let me come back to
my actually when I started asked you
earlier I said you know you've gone
through a tremendous evolution how do
you perceive that evolution in your own
life over the last 15 years or so the
evolution is is one of instead of
teaching people how to manage their
emotions or how to avoid being
victimized I think is the difference
between the self-help and
self-realization I guess what I write
about is always just a reflection of
what I'm going through in my life my
writing is always very personal the
examples come out of my own experience
in my own life and my life has
undertaken a dramatic transformation
from a person who used to be a human
being having a spiritual experience as I
said to a spiritual being having a human
experience and I know how different yes
it is it's and I know that Who I am is
is divine I'm a divine necessity and
each person listening is as well and I
know that there's a grand purpose a
heroic mission that every one of us has
on this planet and I think that the my
lessons have been much more spiritual
much more peaceful consequently my life
has become much more peaceful and when
my life is and harmony and serene then
my writing is that way
I think my writing flows more now I
think my message is that that I know I'm
not alone I know that and I guess if I
know I'm not alone and I can go to a
higher place within myself that I
believe that anybody can that the same
intelligence that flows through you is
the same intelligence that flows through
me
the only reason that I can't wiggle your
finger is because I believe that I'm
separate from you yeah you know but this
decision it's a oneness that is there
and I've met a beautiful beautiful man
his name is Deepak Joe - yeah with Metta
Maritsa he's invited us to be part and I
have become very very friendly
settlement yeah he is and his matter of
fact my wife just was diagnosed as
having a cold nodule on her thyroid and
was told that it was 2 and 1/2
centimeters and that she would have to
have surgery she went to three different
and Wrekin ologists specialists and each
of them said that she would have to have
surgery
and that same day I met Deepak the same
day that was about that while my wife
might have cancer they said it could be
cancerous and they couldn't take a
chance and that very same day Deepak and
I were doing a program together in
Seattle and we're along with Louise Hay
and Shaq to go in and clean and and it
was a very very special day and Deepak
and I and he came to me here's this man
who's a physician and who grew up you
know studying under Maharishi I mean
just a brilliant man he and I'm ready to
just bow to him and and he's bowing to
me telling me how much he loves me and
how much he appreciates my work and all
that and we became like soul brothers I
mean it was like like a man I
experienced love for it instantaneously
and he invited Marci to come up to his
Ayurvedic medicine place up in Lancaster
Massachusetts and she spent a week up
there for the first time in ten years
that she was ever that she slept alone
that she has been away from the children
away from me and she went up there alone
in our 16 year old daughter we
absolutely knew that she could handle
this and she handled five children for a
week and just became I mean unbelievable
mother from the sort of a a wild kind of
teenager who likes to go out and be a
teenager I mean to a totally completely
responsible person because we believed
that she could do it
yes and my wife went up there for a week
and worked with Deepak and he gave her
herbs and oils and compliant lighting
system she came back and in one week's
time Tony she went to the back to the
three endocrinologist and the coal
nodule was gone it's gone but she never
believed for a second I mean it isn't
like she said oh maybe I have cancer but
it wasn't like that
she absolutely said I'm not having
surgery I'm not interested in this I
know that I can I can do this I know I
can get rid of this and all I have to do
is just get my body balanced and that's
what I invited taught her that's what
the debug so we're doing a program
together east meets west kind of like
and he said to me is it real interesting
he said I came to the same conclusions
about personal transformation and
spirituality and and this divineness he
said I was raised in that tradition and
I went to medicine and I'm a scientist
he said you grew up on the streets of
Detroit and and you came to the same
kind of conclusions and Luther's truth
yeah and it's like here we are not
talking about very
as levels of higher consciousness of
different levels that you can reach in
your life and it's been magnificent it's
really been a joy to be to be associated
with it and that's really the difference
between now and then when we talk about
the transformation the real difference
is that I know I'm not alone now and I
know that there's a divine this that's
in all of us
but what triggered that knowingness
because so many people know it
intellectually but they don't embody it
emotionally I try to think of what what
you know like what because we're always
looking for things in the physical world
that describe you know what it is that
happened but there's a there's a word in
Zen tradition called Satori we don't
have a translation for it in English
because we don't do it the point yeah we
don't have a word we want to write very
right but it's it's like in Japanese
it's called Shibumi it's a effortless
perfection or instant Awakening and
where where you just have this this
knowing and it's it's like you I can go
back and I could give you right here a
whole lot of circumstances that happened
in my life when I went to my father's
grave but then it turns out that my I
had all this hatred towards my father
for all these years to the story that's
been important Jerry yeah maybe you can
share that with me I know it was a
profound experience in your life it
truly was when was this first of all it
was 1974 just before I wrote erroneous
zones like months before I wrote
erroneous sounds well like days before I
wrote erroneous own
had you seen him at any time never
thought never saw never son never saw
him he did it he left and walked away
with honor on a wife and three boys and
never ever showed up again just let's go
did you want me to tell this here well
yeah I think yeah I was I went down to
Columbus Mississippi I was teaching at
st. John's University in Queens
you were 14 and I it's interesting is I
haven't thought of this in quite a while
I had a cousin who was my father's
sister's child whose name was Dorothy
Phillips who I had just met a couple of
times they would never give any
information about my father I was always
looking for my father I spent a lot of
time looking for
why do you want to find it I wanted to
meet him in a bar I wanted to I had a
fantasy of just going to a bar and
sitting down and saying I'm your son let
me and this was long before I became
well-known or anything so I just wanted
to know who this guy was you know when
his mother died I found out his mother
died I went to the funeral and I was
only 13 I was the only one that went and
I went only because I was hoping that he
would show up you know just so I could
meet him but he didn't come Wow anyway I
spent a lot of time looking for him then
I would always run out of money or I run
out of desire or or I was just being
guided to stay away because I know now
see I can just interject that I know now
because I I have conversations with my
father and I can see my father in my
meditation
I mean he's his soul is there and in
many ways it guides me I mean I really
think that his life was a lesson for me
and how not to do things and so I've
used it that way and I see the blessing
there but anyway 1974 rolls around I'm
34 years old and I go down to I'm
invited to go to Columbus Mississippi to
to do an investigation of the civil
rights legislation that had been just
passed in the 60s when Johnson was
president and to see whether some of
these colleges in the South were abiding
by them and I was just like a federal
consultant and I would go on campus sort
of incognito and I would sit in classes
and I would write my report and then I
would send it back and I agreed to do
this for a weekend and Dorothy meantime
had called and left a message that she
said I your father is dead and I didn't
know this and she said your father's
dead he died in New Orleans and she gave
me the date that he died and she said
he's been dead for a while and it's like
it was a shock I called my mother I said
did you know that I was but nobody none
of us knew that you know he's been dead
seven or eight years so I got down to
Columbus and I looked on a map and I was
only 200 miles in New Orleans and I
called the infirmary where she gave me
the name of the infirmary and he was he
was an indigent and they said they found
out that he you know he died of
cirrhosis of the liver and he was 49
years old and
they said we don't have any record of
where his body as an indigent was just
shipped to Biloxi Mississippi so I said
I'm going to Biloxi I don't know I mean
I was on a journey then and there so
this was a spooky time for me and it's
it gives me that Kundalini feeling right
now sighs I feel it yeah it's like I get
very teary when I think about it and I
went to the rent-a-car place a national
rent-a-car and there's only one
rent-a-car place and this is a dinky
little town in Mississippi okay at the
club Mississippi State College for women
I think it was and I went to the
rent-a-car place and they had a they had
one car and the car was a brand-new car
it was a nude I was a 1974 Dodge Coronet
okay it was a blue and it had no miles
on it zero zero zero point nine I think
what they make this car here how the car
get here and that car had been shipped
in that day and I was the first person
who drive the car and it was talked to
was so new that the the plastic was on
the seats all right and I had to take
the plastic off of the sit the company
shimoneta for so I got in and there was
no seat belt there was only one seat
belt on the right hand side there was no
left hand seat belt and they didn't even
have shoulder belts in those days so I
got out of the car and I took this
because I've got that sort of
determination and made it I'm wearing a
seat belt and I got out of the gun I
took the seat right out of the car and
put it on the on the ground and there
was the other seat belt taped to the
floorboard of the car and it was a
masking tables and it was wrapped in
plastic the buckle wrapped in all this
plastic there was a rubber band around
it and then it was taped to the
floorboard obviously the protected from
the cutting the upholstery in transit
and I took all this stuff off of it and
unwrapped it and all that and inside the
buckle there's a card and it says a
business card inside the bottle of this
brand-new cars it's true story I said
candlelight in Biloxi Mississippi so I
took the card and I said that's
interesting I'm going to Biloxi it's 200
miles away four-hour drive was on a
Friday afternoon I put the card in my
pocket and I drove to Dondo Biloxi and I
didn't take much about it I think
a hitchhiker on the way and a kid who
was you know a migrant fruit picker and
I took him someplace else and I went
about an hour out of my way to take him
somewhere and we finally got to to
Biloxi I got to Biloxi and it was about
ten minutes to 5:00 on Friday afternoon
I think it was the 22nd of August
readers I just did this in a story
because so they checked out every detail
I mean every detail oh and I went to the
phone book in the in the gas station
outside of Biloxi one said welcome to
Biloxi I went into the next s and I just
looked under cemeteries I was just
figured he's got to be buried in Biloxi
what else would they do with him you
know and I didn't realize that I was on
a real journey at this time and I called
the first cemetery and it was no answer
in the second one it was busy and a
third one was a real small listing like
it was an inferior cemetery they didn't
bury a real D for something but it's
like real Titleist so I called it and it
turns out it was just a cemetery plot on
the back of another piece of property
and the old man came to the phone and
they kept their records in coca-cola cam
boxes the coca-cola Kanaka that he had
to go back he said we don't have records
here exactly I said I want to see if I'm
Melvin Lyle dyers buried here and he was
gone for what seemed like an eternity
but he came back and he said yes he said
he's buried here and my heart was just
beating as fast as jr. tonight I said
well how do I get there I'm in Biloxi
and I want to come over there I really
feel like I need this my father and I've
never met him and he said I got the
death certificate right here he said
he's buried he said your father's buried
on the grounds of the candlelight Inn oh
my god and he said just find that and
it's just the inside a ton and I reached
into my pocket this is true sentiment
and I took the card and on the back of
the card is a map imprinted on how to
get to the candlelight Inn I mean it's
quite it like I've got these arrows that
go there and I was only six blocks away
and I put it back and that's when I
started getting the bgb beat you see
whatever he saw the 50 B TVs and I went
to the the graveside and this was in
August of 1974 and I stood there was 34
years old and I stood there and I was
sobbing it was just a little plate on
the ground it said Melvin Lyle died
and I sobbed then I saw then I cried a
night and I talked and I was there for
two and a half hours it was almost like
there was magnets on my feet that's I
couldn't leave it was till 7:30 in fact
there was no entrance there I just had
to do it just a chain across there he
asked me he said when you leave just put
the chain up across because they didn't
want other candles on that driving
through that and I left there and what I
did in that in that time which was so so
significant for me that's why I think of
it as an event that was that was like an
unfolding in my awakening yeah it was a
spiritual awakening it was like I
forgave my father that's that's what I
had to do and I think of forgiveness I
mean I've studied this now I wrote a
whole chapter about it and you'll see
when you believe it
forgiveness of Mark Twain had a
wonderful definition of it he said
forgiveness is the fragrance that the
violet sheds on the heel that has
crushed it insisting that beautiful soul
that is about engineering I've ever
heard oh yes maybe and it's like I think
of forgiveness is like a snake bite you
know it's like you get bit by snake and
you can't untie me nobody ever died from
a snake bite a snake bite doesn't kill
you it's at the bike you know and we get
bit all the time in all different
metaphorical ways what kills you isn't
the bite it's the venom that circulates
after the bite well well mentally or
metaphysically the venom that circulates
in you after the bite after the things
that have been done to you is the hatred
and the anger and the unforgiveness and
the you think of Christ on a cross and
you think of a soul you remember the
from King of Kings I never forget that
in it and Father forgive them for they
know not what they do what he's really
saying there is they don't know that
they're throwing a spear into themselves
when they throw a spear into me that
we're all connected that we're all one
and until you get rid of that venom it
will destroy you so whatever it was that
I was carrying around towards my father
which was being manifested in all kinds
of conscious and unconscious ways in my
life I let it go in that moment and it
was like my father was there with me
Tony I mean he was just and he is he's
with me now I mean in fact he's really I
can feel like Wesley here now as we
speak always going always saying to me
like where I am there's no judgment
you know there's there's so there's no
good or bad here there's no right or
wrong in this there's just like tell my
story if it's going to help somebody to
forgive somebody you know and that was
my purpose and every time I do something
that is generous and loving and good and
helpful to other people I feel like my
father smiling on me and once I forgave
him it's funny because in my life at
that time I was that's when I was
getting divorced
I was going to so that's when I was
overweight like 25 or 30 pounds I what I
wasn't running I didn't start running
till the year after that and my writing
was really suffering I was writing
professional articles stuff just to
publish or perish okay that's where I
was I was trying to get published in
different professional magazines and all
that kind of thing and I'd send stuff in
that's just stuff that you know you
wouldn't want to read because it was
just quoting everything else and with
you know the kind of professional stuff
that everybody does they write to each
other nobody else reads it and then when
you do write something that appears in
Family Circle a Reader's Digest or
whatever or even they've had some
inquire of five million people read it
I've been given five million under otic
people reading the entire to fix rather
than a whole bunch of people were just
going to write back in another letter to
me only in the form of another article
so I let all of that go and I went back
and erroneous zones I wrote in 18 days
and 88 days Wow
18 days and there are 22 million of
those in print today you know have
Sameach now it didn't take off right
away you had a didn't take off at all no
it's they had one printing and they
expected it to do very little and they
met their expectations they were they
told me they had what they call a list
mentality they said this is the list
you're on the phone on the marks list
and it's a clever little title and it's
a nice little book and if we sell the
books that are on our list
they had a printing first printing of
3,500 then then we'll be happy and
you'll make a little money we'll make a
loan then we'll move on to the next list
in April and so on and that was the
mentality that's a big part of the
mentality in publishing today as you as
you know so I just said well what will
happen if the first printing sells out
just if I know well I mean that's what
you're saying but just it his name was
Lou all right and Lou said what he said
doing unknown he says it's a 3,500 books
on hardcover at $7
695 I mean that was like an outrageous
price to put on the book at that time I
said but just if and he said well they
do we'll have to put a second printing I
said okay fine and so I became and there
wouldn't let me buy him I tried to find
they wouldn't let me so I became a
bookstore I was in New York at the time
and all you have to do to become a
bookstore is just give him a number in
Albany in your a bookstore so I became a
bookstore by just giving them a tax
number and and to that tax number which
I gave him the address of the bookstore
that my garage was to become in my Long
Island history and I called that day and
I ordered three thousand three hundred
and fifty copies of your onii-san's and
they were shipped they were shipped to
the ground sold out I sold it and I went
back to Lou who died later I said Lou
what will happen if we we do so he said
Wayne you've got to stop bothering me it
was like you're another one of these
beginning authors I said we'll just
check just check the computer just see
how it's doing because I said I've been
doing a lot of speaking and I think and
he went through his computer search
history I could even tell you his last
name gold and he went to the computer
for all my godness book is doing
fantastic we sold off the whole first
wedding so they ordered a second
printing 1500 they didn't want to take
too much of a solemn yeah I bought all
those up to the second printing and by
that time they didn't have any money for
distribution they didn't have any
advertising money they didn't have any
of that they died because they just
didn't do that in those days so I said
I'm going on the road and I quit my job
as a professor at st. John's I walked in
and I had you know I had all these
publication credits and I was like a
rising star there and they said you're
insane you've got guaranteed tenure for
the rest of your life oh yeah yeah you
can be you can argue for your misery for
the rest of your life you know and and I
resigned and everybody thought I was not
- except my wife and I we both knew that
this was this was the right thing the
day I resigned from doing something that
I no longer wanted was totally involved
in I was good at it but I didn't want to
do it it was like drill you know I'm
after you've drilled enough there's just
enough drill is drill maybe you don't
need to keep doing it I learned that in
the military so I I walked I drove home
on the Long Island Expressway that day
the freest man I'd ever felt I knew I
was about to follow my bliss I really
knew it and I didn't have any guarantee
of any income or anything the
interesting thing about that is that in
the following
year and a half I made more money I was
36 years old not that I made more money
without even trying I never thought for
a minute that I would make money because
I hadn't made any money on anything I'd
written yet that wasn't that I wasn't
writing for money I was writing because
writing was just something that I
dressed myself that's just who I am
and I made more money in the next 18
months than I had made in the previous
35 years of my life like by ten by a
factor of ten and we're just going out
sharing a philosophy of age okay I took
the books in a station wagon across the
country and I'd I would this is the way
I did it if you want to know how I did
it I would arrive in a town like
Columbus Ohio where they have these they
have good morning Columbus on the radio
you know and if you've got a new avocado
dip you're on for an hour you know
they're looking for peaceful okay
everything's got a talk so you just have
to find over there and I had a girl back
in chick in New York named Donna Gould
who was working for the publisher but
was willing to work for nothing at night
for just because she loved erroneous
zones and loved me and loved the whole
thing I mean she was just involved in
the whole process she really loved it
and so she would call these different
stations and all that and book me on
Good Morning Columbus and good afternoon
Columbus and hello and goodbye Columbus
and you know all of this kind of thing
and yeah and I would I would have my car
full of books I would arrive in Columbus
I was sleeping in the car I mean I did
this I had no money to do daughter and I
would sneak showers I would figure out
how to take free showers in Days Inns
and things but a Canadian why I never
was a wife travel yeah well sometimes
I'm sometimes she was also working well
and I would go to the book stores and
first I was telephone them on I call
them up and I'd say if you got a book
called your erroneous zones and I would
do it in like nine different dialects
you've had bled out only after Lonnie
stsz vision again I do it in German and
I could attach and then but my wife was
with me she would call and I get people
to call and ask for on it is Christmas
exactly what we did came pretty advanced
I love it I love it and and what I know
I was going to create the demand I mean
I didn't think I was doing anything you
know immoral I was just creating the
demand for what it was that I believed
it yeah besides I had five
and go ahead again if I had no
distribution at all so far we call
submitted that's right
I was totally involved in the process
and then I would go on the air okay and
and I would do what we're doing now yeah
I never tried to sell my books I never
gave the title out I never said oh by
the way my new book is called and oh yes
my book is this and you've seen this on
the air and every time somebody does
that you think well they're you know
they're not involved in it they're just
trying to sell me something and you move
away I didn't do that I was just telling
myself as a person I was just talking
like we're talking and when people talk
and are committed and are involved in
our authentic and are enthusiastic about
what they're saying people respond
people want to know more yeah they just
want to know more it's why I let
everybody tape all my talks I never deny
anybody to take mice to this day
in fact I not only allow it I insist on
it and I don't take a cent for it any
time I speak I say if I'm on purpose
rather than an outcome if I'm on purpose
and in the process then my purpose is to
get the message out that's where I've
got to be centrally focused not on
what's going to come back to me not on
royalties not trying just on that so I
allow every true every organization you
can take me and you can do anything you
want with the tapes anything you want do
you want to sell them to your customers
and all that just don't put them into
bookstores and make a legal conflict
remember the software share just legal
problems sure but otherwise do anything
you want with it because I figure all
that can happen it's something good what
can happen if somebody hears an
interview of mine other than they say
gee I wanna hear more that guy and off
they go to the book store or off they do
it a call for the tapes and all nothing
but good can happen and then you keep
circulating it and so on so I mean I
look I learned that about three years
ago when my agent kept saying that you
can't tape Wayne Dyer now I have a
closet there that says I insist that you
take me and do whatever you want with
the tape well it's true so so I was like
on that process then I would finish at
the interview and I would go to the same
bookstore and I'd say by the way I'm
here in Columbus it's a little professor
bookstore this was one of them I can
remember very well and I said I just did
am Columbus and I'm going to do this
afternoon's Columbus and I'm going to do
all of it and the guy said my god we've
already had 10 phone calls well how I
knew I might and I said well can I just
leave 25 of my books here and if they
don't sell then you can send them back
to me and here's the address and it
won't cost you anything to send it back
sher he said absolutely bought he had
calls for and sure enough they were
getting calls people were going in that
year and and that's how I distributed my
book from side did that in Columbus I
did that in Baltimore I did that in
Jacksonville I didn't Tampa I did it I
went to every almost every I shouldn't
say every state but I went to about 75%
of the states in the country at my own
expense in my own car six months on the
road and then finally the book hit the
bestseller list and it was interesting
because the Tonight Show was the show
that everybody wanted to get on in those
days that's when it was an hour and a
half and that story is so phenomenal I
don't know how our time is what fine
oh the the story of getting on that show
because my Donna was always trying to
get me on the show again she called it
tonight so she'd call him as you call
him and I'd say if we hear today one but
Wayne Dyer one more time I'm not turns
out that a friend of mine now very good
friend named Howard Pappas was working
on the show as it and someone had placed
a copy of erroneous zones in his
briefcase and he was flying back to new
to Los Angeles and he happened to pick
out that book and read it on the plane
well he called me and he asked me if I
would be willing to fly out to Los
Angeles and do a pre-interview for The
Tonight Show I said no I'm busy putting
up my screens I can't do that what do
you mean sure enough I flew out to Los
Angeles and I went out there and it's so
interesting when you're when you get off
of trying to get something and just stay
on purpose it's that great quote from
Thoreau if you advance confidently in
the direction of your own dreams
endeavor to live the life which you've
imagined you will meet with a success
unexpected in common hours you want to
talk about an unexpected thing I
couldn't get on one national show Tony I
couldn't get on the Donahue sure I
couldn't get on The Today Show I
couldn't these are all shows that I've
done a hundred times seven but I
couldn't get on any of them because they
said the you know who owned the horse
yeah I was forcing that's right I was
pushing it but there's another way to
reach everybody in the country and
that's to go to everybody in the country
if they won't put you on network
television you can still go out there
and do it if you're committed to wanting
to do it so I go out there I do the
pre-interview and it's a it's the it's
the Republican National Convention 1976
Kansas City Bob Dole is going to give
the
the keynote address now I had such a
angry feeling towards Bob Dole because I
got on the show okay
I got on the show from the result of the
pre-interview and Shecky Greene was the
host you know who Shecky Greene is great
comedian in Las Vegas
super super guy one of the nicest guys
in the world and he's very fun does a
thousand different dialects you must get
to meet to check it he's a great guy and
he was at hosting the show and he asked
me if I would you know so I get on the
show I know but it's Monday but the show
for the first time in the history of The
Tonight Show gets preempted because Bob
Dole instead of giving a 45-minute
speech gives a two-hour speech and it
goes over in the show is preempted so I
slide back to Detroit where I'm back
there with my wife and I find out that
the show's preamp and I'm all excited
I'm telling everybody that in the world
that I know that I'm on The Tonight Show
that night and it gets preempted so you
know it's like I wonder where were they
another door opens the other door opens
it always works this way when you were
when you're doing what you're supposed
to and getting off so that was Monday
night Tuesday Johnny Carson comes into
his meeting with Howard and all of them
and says and they said we had a guest on
last night that was fabulous he said the
audience just went crazy over and Carson
said well if he was that good he said
I'd like to have a man before they show
that preempted show what's good which
was scheduled for a week from the
following Monday they were going to just
set it in it so I get another call from
back will you fly back this time when I
fly back there's a limo and I got really
great and I got my own dressing room the
first time I went in there it's like you
can dress in the toilet over here now
and they're pressing my clothes and
they're cutting my hair which is really
like a mini no not a big job you know
attacked for a search be when they do
mine so I go on the show on Wednesday
night this is like two nights later and
I go on with Carson and Carson says and
we only have maybe seven or eight
minutes
it was just great it was super he was so
good to me and he said to me you know
this isn't enough time for this this is
really terrific he said could you stay
over till Friday oh my god
and do the show again on Friday because
you know you checked with Freddie Dakota
and I said no I said no screens I can't
do it I got I stayed over til Friday did
so on Friday the preempted show showed
on Monday and from not having any
national exposure at all across the
country I went from just doing am
Columbus and all these shows all over to
getting that three Network appearances
in five days Wow
and the book went from it was on the
bestseller list at that time before I
hit the Carson show for the first time I
got it on the bestseller list by just
going across the country as an unknown I
got on The Tonight Show did it three
times in five days the Donahue show
started calling us the you know I did
the done here show three or four times
there and then the the Today Show and it
said and it became a you know it became
like the biggest it will became the
biggest bestseller of the 70s it was the
top-selling book for the entire decade
and it was all because I was advancing
how I was doing what made sense to me
you know today I don't do that today I
don't I don't go out and do it that way
I do it another I trust it will all work
out in another way I'm oh you've built
you built it also but I think it's
really I really appreciate your sharing
the story because a lot of times I think
people have interpreted your philosophy
to mean just let things happen and the
truth is you're surrendering but your
activates with work as you take action
as you think so shall you be right okay
so you act upon what you think about if
you're thinking about what's missing if
you're thinking about the scarcity in
your life if you're thinking about
what's wrong you're thinking about what
you don't have if that's what your
thoughts are and what you're constantly
thinking about and processing your world
that way then that will be what you have
to act on you have to act on what's
missing it's just like in a relationship
if you think about what you don't like
about somebody in a relationship then
you have to act upon that your
relationship is really not located in
another person it's located in you where
everything is located in that invisible
part of you do you know what everybody
said about the reason why erroneous
zones was so successful it was the it
was the 70s it was the me generator it
was the exact right timing Dyer was
lucky he hit it at the right yeah they
don't know how many but then I put
45,000 miles on my car one summer you
know and that I went out and bought all
of those books on it's like and took the
restful people are very very lucky just
ask any failure
perfectly this is true Andrew what is
the most important you've shared a
couple of lessons but if you're going to
say the most important say three lessons
you've got in the last ten years that
you would share with people what are
they I know it's at the top and that is
you become what you think about if you
want love in your life
send love out have love with in your
view of it yeah it's like I think of the
orange I would give the analogy if you
squeeze an orange what comes out is
what's inside it doesn't matter who
squeezes it for what time of day or what
instrument you use what the circumstance
you can only get out of an orange what's
inside and if you extend the metaphor to
yourself and someone squeezes you and
just puts pressure on your assess
something or whatever behaves in a way
towards you that you find objects of
mine out of you comes anger or hatred or
tension or stress or bitterness or any
of that it isn't because of who did the
squeezing it or the circumstance it has
nothing to do with that as much as we'd
like to convince ourselves with that
it's because that's what's inside and
what's inside is always within our own
control I think the second thing is that
Robert Frost said we all sit around in a
ring and suppose while the secret sits
in the center and knows and what the
secret in the center that knows is is
what it is they constitute your very
life it's like this room were in right
now there's only a room not because of
the walls and the configuration and all
the form that's in here it's because of
this here that neither one of us can get
ahold of its silent empty invisible
space surrounded by form that's what
like in then they say it's the space
between the bars that holds the tiger
and it's the silence between the notes
that makes the music the music isn't
note it's silence between notes you
aren't formed that isn't what makes you
who you are what makes you who you are
is the invisible and surrounded by form
that's the secret that sits in the
center and note once you know that and
make contact with that and realize that
that is that is who you are that it is
out of nothingness it is out of
emptiness it is out of that silent empty
state that you create every thought
every sound when you go to make a sound
the sound comes from
nothingness so nothingness what we call
nothingness which is everything that's
which is the DAO you know and the Dow
that can be described is not the dial
you can't describe but it just is it's
it's it's in every one of us once you
know that and go there and consult that
then you can not only affect your own
physical life but you can truly affect
the physical life outside of you Deepak
and I were having lunch Deepak Chopra
and I were having lunch up in Seattle
this day and we talked about doing this
new program we talked about there are
four ways that we were just playing
Toyland said there are four ways to get
strawberry ice cream so let's do it
let's think of the four ways to get
sober as you know and he talked to this
very wonderful Indian actor you know
Indian accent in India you know I talked
with a funny Detroit actor you know
there's there's a lot more people in
India than there are here so we'll talk
about what are the four ways to get
strawberry ice cream and I said well if
I want strawberries going to just have
to have a thought and the thought is I
want some strawberry ice cream now
I'll just go get it okay so I got off
the haagen-dazs or I go off to the
grocery store and I gets it so that's
like a thought and then you act on the
thought now there's a second way to get
sober ice cream in there is to have a
thought and then to send one of your
kids to get some flavoring okay I want
to throw and go get it for her so you
ever thought and then somebody else goes
and gets it for you that's the second
way to get strawberry a little higher
level consciousness you don't have to
work so hard
yes somebody else doing it boy there's a
third way to get strawberry ice cream
and the third way to get strawberry ice
cream was no deepok offered he said you
just think I'd like to have some
strawberry ice cream and then someone
walks by and says excuse me is this your
strawberry ice cream and you say wow I
was just thinking of that and I thought
everybody listening has had that
experience
absolute you just think of it you think
of your sister you haven't seen her in
seven years and all of a sudden she's
calling you or whatever it's like you
have affected you don't think you have
you just think that's some Hans I don't
have the quinces but we know that
there's no that there's no chaos that
there's order in chaos at the subatomic
level we know that so it's like you
think of something and then it just it's
just appears for you and people say well
there's three ways what could be the
fourth and we've seen this in well let's
see I'd like to have some strawberry ice
cream
and you manifest it if you just manifest
it or as Christ said even the least
among you can do all that I have done
and even greater thing I mean the gift
of fish and loaves the gift of feeding
others the gift of oh and what do you do
when you go to sleep and when you're in
pure thought but everything you need for
your dream you manifest so you need a
Lamborghini
you need someone to chase you with a
knife you need a father that's going to
view you you need you whatever
characters you need for your dream you
created now when you wake from your
dream you don't look back at your dream
and say where's my Lamborghini because
listen folks everybody knows it's
neurotic to be attached to an illusion
beautiful why would anybody be all you
have to do to learn not to be attached
to this illusion is to die while you're
alive you know mmm that's what the Sufis
say when you die while you're alive you
look back on your life and you realize
that you can't own anything you can't
have any of it so what to do is you
detach yourself from it and the more you
detach yourself from it the more you get
and that's the great lesson what who is
Wayne Dyer I know it's a spiritual being
but what are your metaphors for yourself
who are you besides that metaphor I'm
gonna for so long inclusive yeah my
metaphor is that I am NOT in the world
the world is in me I really I really I
really feel that the that in every cell
of my being the universe exists it's
like I'm unlike a pharmacy I mean I can
create what what do I need for to heal
this body for example of healing is what
I'm talking about
who Wayne Dyer is is this ability to if
I need valium to create it Deepak tells
me the story of when he went to it when
he went to London and there was a guy
next to him drinking he had eight drinks
before they had gotten halfway there and
finally he said to him he said look he
said you're my buddy he said I'm gonna
buy you a drink and Deepak said to him
I'm making my own
and it's like and only that I mean I
know that Who I am is those birds you
hear out here right now I mean when I
when I see them flying I soar with them
that's who I am I am all of it I mean
I'm not I'm not separate I'm not even
separate from you I said before like I
can wiggle this finger because I believe
that there's a connection between some
kind of a thought which is invisible and
the wiggling of this finger but I can't
see that connection I can't get ahold of
that and if I believe in the oneness of
it all that means that if you could
wiggle your finger that same oneness is
there I've got to detach myself from my
separateness and believe that that I
can't be Who I am at all I am I am the
Sun that comes up in the morning I am
the birds that that's why I am the
flower I am that that invisible force
that is in every living thing that
allows it to be that way how do you help
somebody who sees themselves as separate
not only from life but every sense of
life how do you help somebody like that
to bridge the gap to whether I remember
who they really are the only way you can
do it I think and I've been at this
business a long time of trying to help
people and writing books about it I've a
lot of books I wrote long before
erroneous zones that were about
counseling and was a therapist for years
I think that the the notion of that when
the student is ready the teacher will
appear yeah so it's like all I can do is
help people to get ready that's all I
can do and see I mean I've picked up the
bhagavad-gita three years ago okay now I
had I've had the bhagavad-gita in my
library since I was in college but I've
never read it and I've seen it on you
know I've seen it a hundred so finally
one day I'm here and I pick up the
bhagavad-gita and I read it and I say to
myself it's about time they wrote
something like this but I see that it's
about forty five hundred years old I
know six thousand years old or whatever
it is right here and I heard it but it's
been there all along yeah but I wasn't
ready but when I'm ready
it's like it soars into my life and I go
to the mailbox and what I need is ready
it's like we were talking about earlier
when I need to give a speech and and I
need to recite a poem all right or even
with prosperity if I'm feeling like I
need to
more more money or two more my
investments to be but it's like it all
gets the right person shows up and the
right thing it all gets handled it's
like trusting your intuition and knowing
that everybody has it so all you can do
is help people could get convinced that
they have this power within them that it
isn't something I haven't you don't it's
something that you have but you haven't
used yet and the fact that you haven't
used it yet there's no reason to judge
yourself badly or even to be mad at
yourself you ought to be saying I
haven't been ready you know now I am and
as soon as you acknowledge that you're
ready when the student is ready then
you'll find your teachers appearing and
your teacher might be like my little
kids who walked into your room or when
John asked me said will you do this
interview my first inclination was no I
am here doing something else I'm here
with my family and all that and then I
got this I meditated on it and I got
this really nice letter and it was like
and I thought I've got to talk to Tony
I've been wanting to talk to Tony yeah
and Tony's got something to learn from
me and I've got something to learn from
Tony so the opportunity is here and
we've like missed each other on a lot of
occasions on the weeks been with each
other but we've also made we've been on
the same programs in the same cities
where you spoke in the morning and I
spoke an evening and you've been gone
and I've been gone and we've been sort
of like being thrown at each other but
just sort of missing and I said we both
got something to learn from each other
so let's let's do that I've heard some
things about you from other people that
I didn't like
you've probably heard some things about
me that you I said the way that you get
it all in harmony is that you don't
ignore you don't you go with each other
so you walk into my house and my
children are in love with you in a
second you emit a beautiful kind of
spirituality I see that whatever you are
going through in your life with the with
I know there are struggles with with
your fame I mean you've come very young
very fast very very powerful and and
I've got a enormous organization about
you and I wanted to say to you I don't
want you to get swallowed up by it you
know I want I want to the essential
beauty that is within you to to flower
and to some sometimes you have to say I
said that's one of the things you got to
say is no and I like to say it but I'm
not as good at
and I'm a lot better than I used to be
so it's like what I'm saying is there's
a mutual finger there's like I
appreciate the gift yeah yeah and
likewise I appreciate the gift of being
with you and so I just let go of all the
other times that this is this is a
wonderful opportunity let's let's do it
and you know what that came from that
came from some nothingness that didn't
come from from anybody telling me how to
do it or what actually that came from a
student on the trust came from my own
intuition
yes trust surrender yeah but my
intuition said see I told my wife when I
got that I said I'm not doing any
interviews I thought I said I'm not
doing this you know and she said you
keep saying back haha I mean things she
protested too much but I'm not doing any
interviews should I visit and then she
said read read the letter and I and I
read the letter and and I said she said
what is your intuition say what is God
telling you you know what is it what God
telling you how may i sir that's my
mantra how may I serve how may I serve
how may I serve always ask that not
what's in it for me but how may i sir
and and as I kept saying that I said my
intuition says to do it she said call
him and do it and I have another thanks
to me go down there so is it but we do
that with each other all the I'm and
like that and that it's like trusting
that intuition you know it's a very very
powerful thing and it's like it never
ever guides you wrong the only time I
begin all my investments that I've made
since and I have a whole financial
philosophy of giving a certain
percentage of it away away
unconditionally and also paying yourself
first you know it's like reinvesting
what you make back in in yourself and in
your family in the life and the only
time I've ever taken a loss financially
in any my investments was when I ignored
my intuition once and I invested in
something that was not conducive to the
environment I don't want to say what it
was goodness you needed my purpose to
plug in or to blame anything else but my
intuition said no way this isn't there
they're doing something that is in
conflict with what you believe but the
yields were high and they were
guaranteed and it was like and I put 150
five thousand dollars into this thing
and
they they went bankrupt and I lost 155
but I gained so because you never forget
those muscles yeah it was a great lesson
and since then I've only every time I
invest anything I always ask where's
this money going what she's going to be
doing and then it just comes back to me
about tenfold so it's all been made up
in many many ways so it's like I ignored
my intuition once and I and I paid a
price but I learned it was a great
lesson
terrific list what's the purpose of life
purpose of life is real simple for me
it's a Joel Goldsmith has a wonderful
book called parentheses and eternity and
you are a parentheses is your life as a
parentheses and eternity it opens at
your conception it closes and you're
that but eternity surrounds it so that
there was an instant before you came
into form if you believe in eternity in
which you went from formless to form the
question to ask is not how did I do it
did I sign up for it did God do it is it
a Big Bang Theory which is an
interesting metaphor or or or whatever
it's like don't ask that question
because that's like that's just trying
to analyze that is to break apart
something that is not breakable the
Taoist signed understand it doubt should
ask the question why why would you go
from formless to form the answer to that
is so simple for me it's like I used to
wonder about that all the time and now
it's EXO some you can't get anything
while you're here in this parenthesis
you can't have a thing you think you can
own it you don't get any of it the the
jewelry that adorns you adorns another
and another instant the house that you
own the cars that all of that kind of
stuff that's like that's just all like a
little loan and a little lease and then
it's gone and if you get attached to it
anyway it'll destroy you so you can't
have anything so if you can't have
anything if you can't get anything while
you're here then purpose must have
something to do with with giving rather
than getting and to me the purpose of
life is to give the purpose of life is
to enrich the lives of others in some
way and the measure of your life will
not be in the duration of your life it
will be measured in the donations of
your life what you are able to give of
yourself because you can't get anything
do it your life is give it away yeah you
can just give it away every day your
form deteriorates a little more it's
heading towards the closing of
parentheses and once you know that then
you know that you can't have anything
you can't stop that nobody can stop that
so all you can do is just keep giving
you and the more you give away the more
that comes back what goes around comes
around is not just a funny little song
title it is a powerful powerful message
and understanding it basically shifts
the quality of life voice your tone it's
like getting your life on purpose if
your purpose of life is to give then get
your life on purpose and get everything
that you do on purpose
if you're driving a cab don't be
thinking about how much of a fare you're
going to get think about how can I serve
this person and let the fair take care
of itself
if you're a salesperson that you're
thinking about my quotas and what I'm
going to get you're not on purpose if
you're thinking about the quotas of the
person you're serving that person is
going to send you 21 names tomorrow of
people that they want you to serve as
well like the more you give in anything
that you do if you're a dentist don't
think about how much money you can make
think about making this person's tooth
in his mouth as healthy as it can be the
universe will take care of the rest
purpose means giving not getting and
once you get that and and it's like
that's how you have to orient your whole
business that's how I've waited my
entire business of my books do you know
that everybody who writes me a letter
gets a book fantastic no charge
whatsoever no expectations no nothing
and anybody who writes me and says this
tape didn't work they get a free set you
know I don't know I don't make any
difference I don't want to hear about
somebody wrote me a letter from Seattle
and they came all the way over to hear
me at that program that I was on that
I'd mentioned I was the keynote speaker
I was the last speaker and they had to
go back because their father was sick
and they spent a hundred dollars and
they couldn't they were very upset I
sent her the hundred dollars and the set
of the tapes of the whole day it's like
that's what I believe in do it except
when people tell me I have to do it say
okay I think there's one organizing
principle for you and that's freedom
that's right it's because a gift is not
a gift
when it's somebody telling you what to
do then it's a do-over they expect it
that's a deck yeah and I want to do that
we live by the same philosophy there so
if you demand for me that I give you
something or tell me that I have to give
it to you you're not giving me an
opportunity to give you're just giving
me a debt and I've got enough of those
yeah this is wonderful I was great I had
a great interview yeah really nice and
it's like it get
a connection in here what makes Wayne
Dyer laugh I'd be curious because I know
you're easy to smile laughing what
really what gives you the most pickle
the most joy in your life huh I think
myself I think I make myself laugh and I
laugh at myself I really got a great
girl I really see the folly of it all I
mean if you ever listen to me speak in
public
most of my laughs are just like poking
fun of myself I poked fun at not having
any hair I've been using that for a year
you know I just told you this is not
really a bald head it's a solar panel
for a sex machine you know that's kind
of and and also much of my children
really make me laugh my baby especially
when they're babies it's exactly because
babies are I mean under say - you know
they they make me laugh my little boy I
only have one little boy and six
daughters and that little guy just you
know last night I mean 11 o'clock at
night we were we were both laughing so
hard and in the bed in my little studio
that's where we went on and sleep at
night and just telling stories I asked
him to tell me a scary story so will you
tell me one and he I mean he just made
up the funniest craziest kind of
children make me laugh
animals make me laugh but I really I
really laugh at at the folly of it all I
mean so many people think that we come
into this world and we have just a short
time and then it's over and there's no
there's no joy there's no laughter than
that to me I mean I'm laughing it
someone once said that that he said I
don't try to make my audience laugh he
said I try to make God laugh were
separate and I really like that effect
yeah I think he's laughing all the time
yeah that's right yeah there's a
wonderful story that Yogananda tells of
of a black man in the south back in the
40s and 50s when it was really really
terrible down there for and he worked in
a white church an all-white Baptist
Church where they wouldn't allow it but
he was the janitor and they wouldn't
allow any any black people to come in
and worship and over and over he would
ask the minister couldn't I just come in
and worship with you on Sunday that's
all I really want to do in the minister
said to them over and over again I can't
let you do that I would lose my job I
would like to but I can't so finally he
went and got into
deep prayer and and in his deep prayer
he asked Jesus you know why why Christ
why can't I just pray with those same
people where I work at me I mean Jesus
responded to him I've been trying to get
into that church for twenty years and
they won't even let me and it was like
it's a metaphor of like a think that
they're praying to me but I'd say I'm
gay or Churchill had a great one of the
great lines of all time we'll talk about
humor been great people he was a man
that I really admired I remember the day
he died I was teaching at a school in
Detroit at Pershing High School in the
inner-city and Churchill was in the
hospital and he was a prime minister in
1945 and just after the war was over he
was having such a struggle with
Parliament and all that and he had to go
into the hospital for surgery and a
nurse came in and she was she had to
give him a bedpan because he couldn't
get out of bed and she was carrying out
his bedpan and and he started laughing
uproariously and she said what in the
world are you laughing about and he said
I was just thinking that that's the
first movement of mine that's been
carried out since I've been Prime
Minister okay I feel like all the great
ones I have that kind of a sense of
humor that's real I don't know yeah
those that makes me like how do you want
to be remembered
I I don't care if I am yeah I had a
feeling that will be there I really I've
thought about that and I just you want
to be remembered by your children it
doesn't matter yeah I just want to be
with them while I'm here and love them
and be as loving as I can and and then
whatever they do with it it will be what
they do or whatever see I always tell my
children that your reputation is is not
in your hands like you you and I both
have a very public reputation but I've
heard some wonderful things about you
and I've heard some really scary things
about you and vice versa but it's not
your reputation is located in all the
other people's you give a talk to 2,000
people you got 2,000 reputations you
have no control over whatsoever
you go to school I tell my tell you go
to school there's 30 kids in your class
and there's you've got 30 reputations
every day you have not the only thing
you have control over is your character
and that that is yours so it's like when
you do go out into the world don't be
concerned about how you'll be remembered
because that's just going to be if
there's 10 million people exposed to you
there's going to be ten million remember
it just be concerned about your
character and that's what I try to do I
try to walk the talk it's cool you're
doing on yeah I think your greatest gift
is that you are a character yes I fear I
am yeah preciate this time we very very
much thank you god bless you daughter
Leia
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