The four of us have debated this many
times. This has been an ongoing
conversation, and this one's kind of
apples to oranges a little bit, and
there's one particular reason we always
talked about these two movies, because
they are both up for Best Picture in the
same year. I believe it was the 1995
Oscars. Yeah, you can check that too, if
you want. It is. It is. Okay, so these two
movies are very classics, we all know
them, Forrest Gump, or The Shawshank
Redemption?
Now to clarify, I think, I think the
question shouldn't be which one's a
better movie, it should be which one
should have won Best Picture?
Oh man, I don't know? Somebody else go on
this one - and the reason I say that is
because it is so apples and oranges, it's
hard to debate, you know, which one's a
better movie because they're not related
in any sense because.. just because they
came out the same year, but I think which one
should have won the Oscar is more
detailed question. So we can kind of focus
in on that at least. Well, it's hard to -
Cody, I want to hear your thoughts first. I was gonna say
the same thing, I want to know what Cody has
to say about this? You know, I have to say
Shawshank should have won, you know all
the way around, because... Are you playing a
character, right now? You caught me. Dude,
Joel's drunk and Cody's high.
I thought, you know, both good movies but
Shawshank, it just had that friendship
aspect to it. I'm always going back to
the friendships and (I know you) later so
the emotional side of things. Okay, what's
wrong with me? Cody - Cody's starving for a
relationship.
We love you Cody! I just want more Morgan
Freeman! If Morgan Freeman could be the Terminator. No, you know the
friendship that they had with Andy
Dufresne and what was Morgan Freeman's
name? Red? Red, yeah.
Their relationship was something special
and you know there's so much character
development and changes and
I feel like Forrest Gump was... it was good,
it just didn't have as much emotion to
it and that's and that's how we get and
that's how we relate most the characters
is by the emotional side of things and
you're not gonna be maybe as invested. I
mean
Forrest Gump did suffer a lot but I
don't think it was, I don't know, I don't
think it was to the same degree. When
Jenny died, I... I'm still crying. Wait, Jenny
died!? Jenny
Cody hasn't seen either film. Very passionate
argument for him. I haven't seen Shawshank Redemption either. Cody's just
reading reviews offline. No, Cody, I would
I would agree with that.
I think Shawshank should have won. I
think, I don't think anybody's debating
that Forrest Gump is a bad movie
because it's a great movie, but I think
-that it's I think Forrest Gump is a very
fun movie and has very bizarre elements
in it and it's a fun idea and that's
entertaining, but it doesn't go any
deeper than that, in my opinion. I think
Shawshank plays on deeper themes that
relate - that are more relatable like hope
and tragedy and perseverance, whatever it
may be, whatever you take from the film. I
think Forrest Gump... it's hard to come up
with, at least for like an average
moviegoer, it's hard to come up with a
theme that Forrest Gump had and that
you're taped - like you're not
leaving Forrest Gump
thinking like, oh you know that
relates to my life because it doesn't,
but I think Shawshank plays on those
human elements of like hope, especially
obviously that's the main theme going on
there, so well and it's so well shot and
it could have been a very very boring
movie - it's a stupid Prison Break - but it
turned out to be
fantastic for many reasons, a lot which
was why it was nominated for so many
Oscars, but frickin lost every single one
of them. I know, I think overall it's just
a much more well-rounded movie compared
to Forrest Gump. I think Forrest Gump
just it shines on just a few elements as
far as the film goes. I a hundred percent
agree. Um, if you everybody, I don't know
there are a lot of naysayers - Forrest
Gump and and and I would I would not
agree with those naysayers. I think
Forrest Gump is a fantastic movie. Yes, it
can be easily, I don't want to say
debunked, but it's if you look at that
movie from a 10,000 foot level, it's
ridiculous.
It's a ridiculous and you're right,
Shawshank Redemption plays on like very
real themes that are like... that go way
deeper than just some dude that gets
really lucky in his life. Now, I will say
I am biased: Shawshank Redemption has been
like probably my number one, number two
favorite movie since I was.. I don't know,
15? So, that is by far in a way my choice
for for the Oscar Best Picture. I will
say one little piece of trivia: run time
on both movies: 2 hours and 22 minutes
exactly. They're exactly the same thing.
That's very interesting.
I almost still refuse to go. I can't make
up my mind on this, so torn. I think that...
I hear all the points you're saying. I
think this kind of goes back to my
original statement what I was saying
about which one would I give my money to
in which when I give the award to - kind
of two different categories because I
think I've seen both films just as much.
Like if I were to sit down and want to
watch one, I probably wouldn't pick
Shawshank, I'd probably pick Forrest Gump
because it's just a more fun movie, I
think someone said entertaining? I would
say that's a more entertaining movie the
than Shawshank. Shawshank is a heavy film.
There's a lot going on.
It's exhausting. Yeah, it is exhausting. After it's
over, you're like, 'Man, that was intense,
but it's really good!' But I think if I
get - if I had to give it the award and I
think Forrest Gump was deserving in its
own right. Tom Hanks is, I think, is a more
memorable character; Forrest Gump the
character, is more memorable than any of
the characters in Shawshank Redemption,
is at least in my opinion, but when it
comes to an overall movie, I think the
key difference between the two where I'd
be like: No, some I think I think one
movie has the clear better side of
this is the ending. The ending of Forrest
Gump has always bugged me. I've always
hated this idea of... the Jenny character
always annoyed me. Just this girl that's
got her problems. I'm sure we all know
why - her dad was abusive and she always
running in and out on Forrest and then
she finally comes in, she sleeps with him,
she gets pregnant, she runs off, and she's
like well I have a kid and I'm dying and
you got to take care of him... that was the
worst thing that could happen that guy.
Like he did nothing wrong and she just
at the end, he's just kind of sad. He's
like well, that was a really sad movie,
like just kind of was a bummer.
Like we're having a great time with this
guy, just a bunch of great things to
happen to him but it's just the love of
his life just kind of kept, you know,
messing up and just causing him problems.
At the end of Shawshank is so powerful
and it's such a like happy ending. It's
almost the ending you don't see coming. You're
like this movie's just been a downer
this whole time and now it's uplifting,
like, Wow! I didn't see them - this movie ends
on a beach. You come in - that wasn't the
original ending though, it was supposed
to be him driving away which I actually
think might have been a better ending. I
agree I was just about to say that.
So the original ending was the very
second last shot is Morgan Freeman, Red,
riding on the bus after he gets out of
prison for however many years he's in
there, and he's basically it's just like
a monologue in the background basically
saying you know he wants to see yeah he
wants to see his friends get or his
friend again he's trying to see Andy
Dufresne and like last words are: "I hope,"
and it's like fades of black and then it
comes back into focus and you know,
spoilers, they're both you know finding
each other on the beach, but the original ending
was, it just fades to black, while he's - as
he says I hope, and that's it, and I think
that's so much much more powerful,
because it really just like punches that
theme into the viewer of like does he
see him? Does he not? It doesn't matter,
because he hopes - that's the point. Yeah,
yeah I think that I mean if you took the
whole beach scene at the end which
leaves us on a very happy like, Oh man -
they made it! They made it to the the
Mexican beach - Zihuatanejo. Zihuatanejo.
They make it down to that beach and is
uplifting as it is like the a would have
been just fine him finding that letter
by the rocks, and the music, the score
that's playing, and Morgan Freeman's
voice, it's it's all just, they could have
ended right there, no but like man this
is just so good. I can't deny that at the end
of Forrest Gump, he's literally sitting on a
log and just staring off of the distance
going, "Well, I guess that was a good time?"
Right? But, as far as like as far as I'm
looking at all the awards that Shawshank
was nominated for, just go down the list:
Best Picture. Best Actor, Morgan Freeman.
Best Screenplay. Best Score. Best Sound.
Best Cinematography. Best Film
Editing... lost all of them. I think that at
least I would say one of these, Best
Actor, it was basically Morgan Freeman or
Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump. I think Tom
Hanks should have won even though it's
Morgan Freeman's, you know shining hour
on film, it's one of his most iconic
characters. However, Tom Hanks, you can't beat Forrest Gump.
Playing that character is difficult and
crying at the end of it when he's like
finds out he has the son is the one of
the best that scenes. That's - that's like
top ten scenes that will make guys
cry is that. Right. Yeah, yeah - yes yeah I
think we're all we're all in agreement
that Shawshank then. I think we would all
would have disagreed with the Academy.
That's a first. Idiots!
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