CHARLES EISENSTEIN: Okay so some people say it's not about saving the planet the planet will be
fine it's only a matter of will human-beings survived a lot and I think
that that is a profoundly mistaken viewpoint because the planet created us
for a reason just like all species all species have a role to play in the
maintenance of the whole and the development of the whole this is a
almost universal as far as I know it's a universal indigenous view that there is
no superfluous species there is no accidental species but it is a community
of life and everybody has a gift to give toward toward something toward either
the the health or the survival of the integrity or the evolution the
fulfillment of the dream of the land every species is necessary unique and
bares a gift and human beings are the same that and that we were born on this
planet to fulfill to serve a purpose and that all of the gifts that we have are
relevant to that purpose so we have gone through this project this project called
civilization this phase of history for five or ten thousand years in which we
have exercised and developed the uniquely human gifts that we have in a
word technology or among many of them technology so if and and the conditions
for us to develop these gifts have been laid down the planet has laid down the
conditions necessary for us to develop these gifts for hundreds of millions of
years laying down the fossil fuels for example the deposits of metal ores and
things like that like the the wealth of life
sustain us in a growth phase like everything has been perfectly set the
table has been perfectly set for the feast of civilization in which we have
developed to a very high degree our uniquely human gifts the thing is and
this is fine ok it's necessary we have not yet
however grown into the proper expression the right expression of our gifts we
have not yet discovered why we have these gifts what they are for what for
what purpose the planet created us as human beings we don't know yet but that
is the question to ask and even to ask that question is new for civilization
because in the past we just assumed you know brief be fruitful and multiply and
earth is here for us we never thought in terms of what is the service we are here
called to do a service beyond ourselves so that is the right question to ask and
I am certain that that part of the process of discovering the answer to
that is to serve an intermediary purpose in intermediate purpose which is the
healing of the damage that has been wrought the first step of a relationship
of partnership creative partnership is to is to establish trust how about you
know we've done a lot of damage and to say now we want to work together with
you you meaning the totality of life on earth a courtship is necessary where we
we demonstrate our willingness to be in partnership so I think that in the
next stage of civilization our common purpose our collective aim our unifying
story is the regeneration the repair the healing of
the biosphere it is not our final purpose because the purpose of life is
not simply to survive but it is the next step that that can organize human beings
you know we had a story that organized human beings and made sense of life it
was contributing to the progress of to progress to to the conquest of nature to
the ascendancy of human beings like this was something that would say in the
dominant society pretty much everyone agreed on gave meaning to life what it
told us what a worthwhile life was you would become a scientist you would become
an engineer you had become a doctor to keep everybody healthy so that they can
do this you know you'd become a lawyer greasing the wheels of the machine like
everybody had a role to play in the grand project of civilization and now
that that story is disintegrating people are many of many many many people are
facing a crisis of meaning and an aimlessness the aimlessness taps into a
collective aimlessness in which we no longer believe in the story that carried
us and this is the space between stories that you had mentioned before so so yeah
so you know to make a long story short yes we argue there is a plan so to speak
or shall we say a purpose or a dream or a possibility that may be fulfilled that
calls to us we are not an accidental species and I'm on my brother's farm
here that's why there's a rooster in the background yes we're not an accidental
species and the time has come to really start asking why we are here what is a
human being for
LBW: Okay you know framing this this long detour that we seem to have taken this
the crises that we are currently experiencing today it seems like it
seems rather I guess I don't know how to even approach this question or if
there's even an answer to this question but I don't think I don't see that
there's others other animals other species other creatures on this planet
that had to take this path that we are currently taking we have taken this long
journey and and my fear is that we may not get out on the other side of it
and I I guess to figure out how to even present this but it's like why did we
have to take this path of destruction to get here it almost seems so strange that
something like the wholeness the planet what Gaia would would create a
species that would get so lost as to almost destroy itself and then to
destroy so much in its path only for it to come back into a right relationship
with it and I guess this might be a part of I guess you could say the quote the
plan that this might be a part of some bigger purpose that we can't possibly
perceive or conceive of at this time but it's just so strange I mean why does
that have to be the case I I don't know if there's an answer to that question
but I'm just sort of throwing that out there and seeing if that if you have any
ideas as to why that may be the case
CHARLES EISENSTEIN: Yeah I do have ideas on it I'm not sure
if it's really relevant or necessary to answer that question it can become
kind of academic what's real right now is that whether it was necessary or not
we are in this situation one of the gifts of the situation is that it is
calling us to make a choice a choice to serve what we love to care about what
we love you know despite the key plank of the climate the dominant climate
discourse the climate change platform that says that we face a threat to our
survival I think the truth may be that we face a threat to the survival of
everything else the path we have walked has been to human survival has we've
been doing fine you know we have we have a growing
population we have we're doing like by any measurable standard life expectancy
and birth rate and all that kind of stuff like humans are doing fine
and we have continued to do fine even as we've lost half the world's
forests in the last whatever couple centuries we've continued to do fine
even as fish biomass is decreased by 80% as insect biomass is decreased by 75% as
the salt marshes of New England have decreased by 90% etc etc etc and we're
still here and you know there's still food in the supermarket and we're moving
from 4G to 5g for our cellphones like everything's going great you know so the
argument that we face a threat to our survival whether or not it's true it
conflicts with lived-experience and it also it's not it conflicts
with the trend that we've seen the trend that we've seen is human being surviving
fine and the rest of life disappearing so the choice that we face may not be we
have to change or we won't survive
that is a fear-based choice I think the choice we are facing is to
act from love to want to protect the whales the forests and everything else
not because something bad will happen to us if they die out but because we love
them that is in a word that's the the new relationship that I've been talking
about I've been saying it's a matter of participation and and partnership and so
forth but really it's about stepping into love it's about expanding the scope
of our love it's about falling back in love with the rest of the tribe of all
life that's I mean can you feel that in your bones that that is the that is the
choice we face are we going to create a world from love or are we gonna create a
world from self-interest from fear which what are we going to do so you
could say that maybe this has been this course of destruction has been a
necessity in order to present us with a stark choice we get to choose who we are
and who we will be and the time to choose is now and this is a collective
choice and it's also a personal choice all you have to do is open your eyes to
see the horrific suffering of humans and other beings and that that vision to see
that asks you who are you in relationship to these things will you
live a life that makes sense given your love for all that's dying
it simply poses the question it makes an unconscious choice conscious and and I
think that we can trust we can trust each other to make the right choice
whatever that is when presented with the full vision and
we don't need to try to shame each other or guilt each other or bribe each other
or coerce each other into making the right choice you know it's not yeah yeah
it's not like I know you you know you would naturally what you want to do is
to lay waste all around you to maximize your security and power and wealth but
I'm going to exert psychological pressure on you to stop you from doing
that but that view of human nature that view of who you are
and by extension who I am that is really that's the part of the
problem and to operate from that place as the environmental movement so often
does is to choose a world of fear it's actually a step away from a healing
world to operate from that place we need to see the lover in all
people we need to see that the lover of life and the lover of Earth the lover of
nature and through our interaction with each other call that forth and hold that
for another person even when it looks like they're an agent of destruction and
to ask what are the circumstances that have brought you to be an agent of
destruction in curiosity because when we know that then we know how to speak to
the nature lover to we know how to speak to the person who wants to make an
offering of their life in service to the healing of the world
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