We working? all right guys, hey welcome! My name is Stephen Dunn, I'm with CORE
Therapy & Pilates and today I have a very special guest, Tom Schnorr, from Austin
Compounding Pharmacy. I'm gonna have him introduce himself... Am I saying that right?... Perfect...
and he's gonna be telling, here
to discuss all things CBD! I have been getting an onslaught of questions for
the last six months, maybe year about CBD being used for back pain, being used for
inflammation, being used for all kind of different things and I really don't know
the answers to the questions that I'm getting and I know Tom here down the
street with his compound pharmacy, knows a lot more about it than I do
so I wanted to get together with him today to have him answer some of these
questions so that my clients, my audience can get a better understanding of this
this new, this new thing that's available and is available in Texas, it is
available in other states and different with different laws that we're gonna
talk about that a little bit, but real briefly I want to tell my story of kind
of what got me interested in this from the get-go, in 2003 I had a travel
position where I was working in Sonoma Valley Hospital for about a year and in
that time of working there medical marijuana laws were legal in California
now I didn't know anything about CBD maybe CBD was allowed at the time, I had
no idea but what I noticed at the time was that I had clients that would come
in at 7, 8, 9 in the morning and they would reek of marijuana and I just, I found it
kind of odd, but they paid attention, they listened to what I said, they
participated in the treatment and then they went off to work and they did their
thing and then I had clients that would come in in the middle of the day, early
afternoon and these were the clients that were on oxycontin, they were on
vicodins, they were on different types of hard pharmaceutical narcotics and what I
noticed about these people, they kind of walked in, kind of like
a zombie, their eyes are rolled back in their head, they weren't very, they did
not participate in the therapy, they were just kind of here
they were there to sign in and get their workers comp check or whatever
they weren't participating, they didn't want to get better and I looked at that
over the course of a year and I started to change my my perceptions of what this
medicinal marijuana was, I didn't understand it, I really did think they
were just pot heads that wanted to get high, I'll be honest but I didn't understand
it and I, looking back on it now that I've been living in Texas for 14 years
it's a very interesting concept and now we've seen these laws change in certain
states, really I believe every state has some CBD availabilities or laws that
allow CBD but each state's a little different with the cannabis aspects of
it and whether you're getting your CBD from cannabis or you're getting it from
hemp... so with that said, that's kind of my story and I'm super interested in
getting all of my clients off of opiates, we all know there's a huge epidemic with
that right now and I'm very passionate about my service
which is physical therapy, which is a non-narcotic, non-invasive form of
therapy but there needs to be more for a lot of my clients and so I and my
clients are asking me the questions, so with that said here's Tom, Austin
Compounding Pharmacy... Tom tell us a little bit about your journey into this world
Thanks Stephen, good morning everybody, how are y'all doing? My name is Tom
Schnorr, I have been a pharmacist now for thirty something years, clinical nutritionist since 2001
is what I finally accept for my board examinations, the clinical nutritionist
takes supplements, nutrition, vitamins, food, everything that God gave us to
complement the prescription medications to help heal the body, so I practiced
functional pharmacy I have board-certified in pain
management since 1993 and it was using implantable
pumps, lots of opiates, lots of narcotics both topical, injectable, oral... combining it and
using medications to decrease the side effects
I've sat and watched the opiate epidemic create, I've been in the community for
years and I've lost many friends behind it, might have great sadness of how
easily is acquired and how quick it is given out and how rapidly, how rapidly
the addiction is there. When I first got boarded in pain management they actually
taught us if you have pain you cannot get addicted and that was just a marketing
lie by the manufacturers and we bought it because we were wanting to do
something, we wanted to help somehow and now fast forward 20 years we have 13
people dying every minute in the states and across Maine they lose 36 people a
month that little tiny state. Texas is phenomenal, the addiction is
crazy and we have things out there we can CBD oil and you know, Stephen's
great story about seeing his two class of clients come in
and his own personal bias that he experienced coming from his education, I
too was there, I saw the people that were using marijuana and such as just being
the slackers of the world, bless their hearts and they have come in here and taught me
different, no they're the ones that showed me that the judicious use of
marijuana extracts make the pain management work better, bring about a
healing, there's, I've seen so many examples of using functional
medicine and Chinese medicine and other other meds out there that
complement the use of Western medicine to make them work better, to decrease
side-effects, to protect the liver, to recover the kidneys, to cut down side
effects of all their meds, it's the same with the extracts were getting
from THC and hemp. Now though the sad thing is there's been there's so much
pushback from the government and law and from reefer madness, the movie of the
century, right, that taught us it's dangerous and it yes it can be, but we
cannot let it also hold us back from using it medicinally. What we are
challenged with and they come into the store often what, we have it here first
and foremost, it is here our own place I screen it, qualify it, certify that it's
exactly what's in the bottle and nothing else and help to council in the proper
use of it. People are asking me so Tom is it legal to use CBD in Texas and the
answer is yes it is, it was a hundred percent legal, it's actually even the
doctors can write a prescription in Texas for only two diseases epilepsy of
adolescent of two different very odd varieties, funny laws about how to do
it the DEA just now on the 25th of June of
2018 has been given notice by the FDA that the FDA has approved a
marijuana derived CBD oil. Tom, what's CBD? what's THC? there are
their alkaloids, they're active molecules, very cute molecules by the way, I love them, the THC creates
both CBD alkaloids and THC alkaloids there's a four to five to six in each
class and each have a different activity as we are enduring bioengineering enough
in the fields and the gardens to modify marijuana to extract, to raise different
levels of the terpenoids, were making them tailored for a particular patient, a
particular type of need one that helps me better for gut, one that helps it
better for my ligaments and joints, one that helps me
you softened myself so I can tolerate Stephen beating me up in PT, trust me, I was
with him for six months, he beats you up and it's great... so the THC can only come
from the marijuana plant, CBD cannot create any THC, well it makes a small
amount but is allowed and permitted at point zero five percent THC content per
CBD. The safest way in Texas right now is to
make sure the CBD oil product you're using is derived from hemp oil and hemp
oil only. I make sure all of mine that come into the pharmacy are only hemp derived
so it provides you safety from the law and also if you end up if you're in
business to where you do have your random urine screens you will pass with
flying colors, you will not pop positive for marijuana so that has been well
tested, we tested on among our crew here, we all did
it, took it out tested it and we had some people who were regular users of my
products and they tested negative, so it worked... I hadn't thought of that... yeah
yeah we just tested to clear that up you know the manufacturer said, well let's
just prove it you know and we did, we did and it was marvelous so my first suggestion is
if you can use a CBD, use it from hemp derived, if you're going to use it from the
marijuana derived, it is much more potent and yes there are really good
data and research showing that the CBD CBD combined with small amounts of THC
actually are better for pain, depression, anxiety, gut movement, mood elevation and
they have some great ones that don't have any of the psychotropic of the you
know of the marijuana of our College and high school days, so those are
not available here in Texas, you have to go to California, Colorado, Oregon, Utah
Massachusetts, Illinois you, so you just have to go elsewhere, lots of
clients are doing that and I always recommend starting with just pure hemp
product here specie experiment there and so so kind of as the law we are at now
people will ask me, Tom can there you can you make it into a pain Joe and hand it
to the pain yellow should make money and I go no I can't because the FDA DEA has
not yet said we can use EPO in our compound laboratory so we don't I just
say here's my compound prescription for you and here's the oil you know and I'll
show you how to go home and put the two together for Yubel and put it into a
pump and take care of it that way that's the best we can do so the next question
I get is can it help my cannon help me can I help my family can help my dogs we
just went to the fourth of July and each of the animals that I was babysitting
all got a small dose on a treat of CBD oil and they have no anxiety they were
just peaceful and calm and just happy campers I think every dog should get
some for fourth of July I'm sure either 4th of July treat
there's no stress at the fire oh yeah it just makes them calm in it and if your
dog is in the small frame and is the is the battery-powered doorbell as I love
to call that a small dose of CBD can work with some some good therapy help
them break that habit so super-safe questions are what what kind of doses
that is so big so big so big the epileptic dosing that we have studies
we're using is a hundred milligrams topically on the feet of a child in an
epileptic seizure within a minute the seizure is resolved dosing for animals I
use one and two milligrams I start there and I just keep creeping up if they're
just if they don't want to get up and go for walk you know they got too much so
that's kind of how I doze for us humans is kind of the same dose is generally
twice a day as all you need to do it anywhere from 2 milligrams to as high as
50 milligrams it's just really hurt when you get into the high high doses that's
when you have to think about might be a candidate for going to California or
Colorado and keep it out on the backside and don't tell but you will not be I had
many people go there to fly there get it come back they don't check then it's
just so take that as you can but say how do I take it pretty much when I'm
compounding medication for folks I like to ask you how would you like to take a
medication would you swallow it would you put it on an oral would you like to
rub it into a local area and it's the same for CBD it comes as an oil and we
can put it you would find it in capsules with varying strengths mixed with
tumeric is very good to make it absorb better and break down that turmeric with
it and putting it in with more oil say some ghee some butter some coconut oil
makes it absorb much better there's also topical a lot of people use
a topical pain gel mixing with menthol and eugenol of things and I love doing
that and you can rub it into local areas like a hip and knee injury
those are wonderful for kids and for adults of people with arthritis and put
it up through soap your knee and then go see Steve and get your knee work out now
it's perfect been dosing it's very wide if you if you're sitting on the couch
and you didn't want to move for a couple hours it's a little too much okay so
sort of dial it back down where do I find it I carry it either find places
get it you can buy it on the Internet you're really careful know your supplier
know where you're going there's no real inspections going on the infantry get to
know who's making it for you because you want good quality there are four normal
alkaloids found in vbe and terpenoids that are output but the popular ones the
most to common or a and B and they are the most common ones found and nearly
every product out there is just the a right there are a few out there that are
both a B and D and I only know one company with all four I do like when
it's a blend more like two or more of the terpenoids it just seems to work
better and have a broader activity for everybody myself I like to use a spray
or a drop with an oil I just drop it in the mouth great amount and has a
cinnamon flavor or spearmint flavor or an or unflavored in flavors are great
for the dogs they love it and they even have dog treats and don't mean they just
jump at it be careful your kids might like it too
they make super concentrated this one is 50 something milligrams for dropper
dropper full which is a very high dose there's topicals this mint they've added
menthol eugenol and a few other things to make it like a sports ball and so you
get this an auditory buy-in and then it absorbs in about two minutes you can
just feel whatever pain has gotten soft so they're making pumps jars full of it
a particular company out of Austin has come out with one that tastes like an
Altoid it's cinnamon it is as strong as an L so if you really like something
they make a cinnamon or mega experiment for others but this is one their my
carry 5 or 6 there's great ones out there there's some great ones on the
internet there's not so good one so be careful don't go to the head shop choose
many answers when they don't know or go to other find help function as providers
for it oh gosh question for you yes to be clear mm-hmm the CBD whether it's
coming from the cannabis plant or the hemp plant is not a psychopath
no matter what it's running from but it looks coming from candidates it is a
little stronger and has a possibly a strong Republican see stronger effect
it'll have a because they can't extract all the THC out that'd be a higher
relevancy venom THC in there and that could trigger psychoactive but it will
definitely contribute a positive drug screen if you have drug screen issues
and that's a guy that a lot of folks have their day jobs chat it's it but
those are much stronger much more potent and and as of just last or two weeks ago
the FDA's approved it and we do have one at one drug mail as a mail and now the
DEA has to reclassify hemp and marijuana from still on schedule one down to a
twos we're moving through the process I know in my lifetime we it will get legal
I don't believe Texas will legalize it directly
I believe the feds will do it got it you know we're gonna hide the money so
buying you can support it use it what I love about it I can sit tell you
multiple stories of my my patients who I've known for years on pain management
who have cut their opiate use down to a third and their primary care doctors
going thank you because they are getting such pushback from the politics of the
opiate war that that was created by the drug companies themselves you know up to
all of us to work together to help each other because there will be sadness
there will be some suffering as we all find it get a rebalance when I have a
client for me to say my doctor will not give me X Y Z because they got pushback
by an inspection and when we go what do we do I go we cry we use lower strength
stuff for a while and we had a lot of CBD and we go see Steve and we go get
everything we can we change our diet we get we change we take negative energy
out of our lives we get a little more good massage therapy
physical we do we seek out actively seek out anybody who could help raise our
healing and and I am so glad to see where we're at today it's changing with
the seat were what we've got with CVD it's a it's a big chink opening up the
rest of the rest of the world the rest of Western medicine to the reality that
we need to bring it no more natural medicines in here and
thank you thank you well last week I was in Colorado for spring break
I'm sorry not some great fourth of July and while I was there I decided to go
into one of the shops the the legal chops just ask questions there and I
asked him if I could oh yeah and what was interesting is that
what they told me was that there were quite a few different types of things
you could get some had like a 5:1 ratio THC and like that will give you a little
bit there was ten to one or twenty five to one these different ratios and I
found that interesting because that what they said and again I don't remember
exactly they said that they said if the more cannabis is its using the more THC
this and it helps deliver the CBD better for certain conditions but not
necessarily all condition right and so that was just kind of resonating bit
right that is it truly isn't as a science and it's not a mad science like
I kind of thought it was it's a truly a
we don't have all the answers and thank God we're all experimenting and I will
share with all of our with all the kids out here I have been a recovery 38 years
I do not want to take a drug that cycle I do I don't want to change my sobriety
I have been using CBD personally on my setup for the last year and a half and
it has really work to bring me a sense of peace and calm
it has really worked to aid me and growing up and doing some development
and and there's been no psychoactive activities to it I'm just as silly and
goofy I know where I leave my car keys
lethargy paranoia - yeah oil caps on my head and Cheetos
it just wasn't many fun and then when this DVD showed up I thought it'd be the
same like same structure same family you know this chemist over you know I
don't think much of it but I saw my clients of my friends skinning great
growth and then it's like Tove and I had a sat down with Stanford microbiologist
botanist - just opened my mind to what they're doing to make this into medicine
making it creating medicine from it and and people go Tom these are just plants
like yes but you know we're all right antibiotics come from molds and fungus
is along the side on the roots of trees in the Amazon forest that's our first
antibiotic was penicillin a mold growing on a piece of white tooks white bread so
this is where all our drugs were created by God
yeah and let me just clean them up packaging but make it look cute yeah
well guys this has been great to do this with Tom I can't met him a few weeks
back and we scheduled this and I just knew that I'm we need more of this
information now it's it's it's growing and we need this education out there
amongst the general population because we know the opiate epidemic is gone mad
people still need opiates I'm not saying that but it has been a choice of
long-term chronic pain treatment for way too long
and this CD revolution seems to be a new way of addressing many things on many
levels so I'm super excited about it thank you for your expertise and we're
gonna wrap it up if you have any questions type them in the comments
whenever you watch this and we'll get get some answers to you and thanks for
your time guys and we'll see y'all around and take care thank you down
alright so if y'all want I have a 70 slide ships lemony picture slideshow on
educating the science behind CBD simulate Facebook me I'm out there under
top snore and drug snore or Austin compounding pharmacy you can email me at
drugs nor this SCH and O Double R at gmail and I can send you the slideshow
to start teaching about the science behind CV and how prevalent it is in all
plants that's what I did know it there's a little bit nearly every plant out
there and don't we created an array now hi any bits we know we have the capacity
for catalyzing so it has been there with us for centuries thank you all right
don't take yeah a great day we'll see us
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