And we are live
Once again for another lethal discussion this time with my good friend Matt Metro. How're you doing Matt? I'm doing great buddy How you doin'?
Awesome. I'm doing wonderful, man
Especially because we get to talk about video games today
Yeah, exactly, I mean the moment that you told me that you want to talk about video games on like time when where
No need for the whys right
So we're here to talk about something that's very near and dear to both of us and probably almost
Every single person that is listening right now on some spectrum if the YouTube algorithm
Sent you to this podcast and you don't like video games. I'm sorry
You can file a formal complaint against me too, because I did it's holding my stop
They sent you the wrong place because we're gonna be talking a lot about what it means to love a video game
I think that's really gonna be the big dish in terms of
The platters that we're gonna be serving to you today, you know because that's what we do
We love video games and we want to know exactly what it is. That makes them be a worthwhile pastime
much farther than any sort of gameplay mechanic or
One particular narrative what it is
what is it about a video game as a whole that makes you want to come back to it every single time and
I think that the topic that we can all get behind right? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's
At the very least worth
discussing something that you choose to spend a lot of time on when in a time I guess like in
because we're you know
in our later 20s, and it is we're kind of in that age where
The things that you used to do the hobbies that you used to have as a teenager or you're just growing up as a kid
specifically video games are things that you
you just don't have as much time for and
so you have to you know create that time if it's important to you and it begs the question of
Why it's important true a lot of us if you look at any sort of metric in terms of our generation
We're in the twilight of our 20
So anybody who is with us and that in that spectrum will know that
everybody plays videogames in one sense or another and looking back looking back at
Looking forward to the to the younger generations every single one of them is so engrossed into video games that some of them don't even
Play video games because they have so many other means of spending their time
that them that
the medium itself has
engrossed itself and say mobile games and that
Others other sort of handhelds that the classification for what it means to be a gamer has expanded to such a high high
breadth like
Everybody can be a gamer if they really think about it, right? It's kind of like there is something for everybody
No, like yeah, there's so many categories, right? And so everybody has their own
Sort of outlet if you want to find it, right you want to you want to play a guitar?
Do you want to sing do you want to play drums? All of that stuff is accessible to you right away
You want to shoot aliens and be the coolest marine ever?
Boom you're there and you're there for a modest price nowadays
since now we're talking about well, that's what's interesting to a
decades-long industry now just that there are so many avenues of
accessibility that if you even if you genuinely only have like 10 bucks
You could potentially still get to play video games either on a on a library computer or playing macro
Macromedia Flash Player
Yeah, exactly. That's it. That's all. Yeah, exactly all of that stuff
All of that stuff is still out there and accessible to other people who have not had the same
Economic means that we might have that we can evolve with the industry
to the degree that we're at that we can actually
Sit here and consider the nostalgia of like what did well, that's something interesting too that you pointed out that day
just Oregon Trail are kind of like these things that we would sneak away with it, you know and our
Library classrooms or attacked, you know, wherever it was that like that how impactful that that show was. He even had a
pixelated
really unevolved state this this new kind of experience this
Different than than a book different than a movie something more
Something more immersive because it was because of the interactivity. Oh, yes. I remember playing
Being in third grade and being taken to the library and getting to play those old Arthur I spy games
Storybook games. Oh those things blew my mind. I could now wait till we got back to the library
every single I don't know what it is about those things, but they're so enticing it's
There's just something about them that absolutely catches my eye no matter where I'm at is that somebody playing over you get involved
Can I play it's probably the next step. Mmm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, there's something I mean
Just like from beginnings, you know, like as a kid
Yeah, because like you said we're in the twilight of our 20s
So when I was a kid
The Nintendo came out and you're we just briefly after I was a kid and we got one
I think it came on in 89 or something, but we got it a couple years later and that I'll never forget the moment
I'll never forget it
It is old as I will get that
Looking down at the controller and looking up at the screen and trying to associate
how the buttons I was pressing on the controller made the thing on the screen change and
They did automatically come with Mario. Is that one of those?
Mario Brothers
So that was the very first video game I ever played and and I'll never forget it it stuck in my mind to this day
is like as
Primitive and simple as the original platformer for the Nintendo. It's there's the
the impact of
That moment has created this this
lifelong
infatuation with some they with with a with a
Essentially a brand-new form of media that was only birthed in at the same time that we were
Yeah, but our parents were all right. Yeah, right
It is really interesting how this one avenue of escapism has now become like a six-lane
Highway in terms of the amount of things one can do in it every single person can
find their own place in this in it and
hearing about things in terms of
Trying to be exclusive in a sort of way
Trying to have console wars with people it just it just it's so interesting how we bring our old tribalism
So any sort of any sort of medium that we try to that we want to do everything has to be a competition
Because it's fun
Yeah, la I could only imagine that a lot of those guys, you know
just take it as seriously as their keyboards will take them and that's
And that's just as good because every single person plays a different persona online
it's one of those things that the internet alongside video games almost hand-in-hand have really uh,
advanced is the ability to be able to be yourself outside yourself and
Really showcase what you think you mean, right? It allows you the opportunity to
sort of
Well it I mean it definitely does it
Gives you the ability to express yourself in a way that you didn't even know that you could
you know it it gives you a little pouch of
Tools and it says here's the universe that you can use these tools in and well at least for some of the more narrative driven
Videogames that it's like how are you gonna use these tools? How are you gonna apply them?
And what does that say about you and you know?
And it definitely makes you think and it makes you feel - when you're asking yourself these questions, right?
I mean just being the kind of person that wants to play a video game puts you in a
Separate category in terms of your temperament because you have to have patience to play some certain video game
I mean any sort of video game because it is an investment of time. Absolutely
it is either an investment or a waste depending on what you perceive it to be because
Because there there will be need to be time spent in order for anything to advance
Even if it's just a simple 8 hour adventure, it will still not necessitate eight hours of your time. Yeah
so
You have to make that you have to pretty much make that
That investment you have to make that consciously and say that okay
I am entirely okay with diverting all of my time to this one medium
In the whole host of things that one could be doing with their time
and
the reason that I find that I enjoy it so much is because it allows me to get a
particular sense of escapism because the types of games that I enjoy playing that give me that
Escapism are very difficult trial driven games, right? Yeah
I really enjoy games that just mash me against the wall because like masochist. Yeah
I feel I feel the softness of my flesh
Yes, yes that's good exactly like you you mentioned that
video games could be a modicum of soft therapy to a certain degree and
That is exactly the kind of self therapy that I enjoy it isn't necessary
It isn't necessarily just spending ones time to avenge our like I want my brain engaged
To be able to then showcase to my brain that we're doing a good job that you're improving exactly
It is a positive feedback loop within myself that then drives me to get better and better and then once I'm done
I'm like, all right. Now let's go do other stuff back and we can do better and better it
it pretty much places a kind of software inside my brain essentially to
Think in a certain way and be like you yeah, like you're not you're not a winner
You're a loser you fail a lot, but eventually you what if you yeah
If you keep trying if you work hard even if you put enough spot into it sure. Yeah, I feel yeah
Yeah, that's that's the kind of escapism that I enjoy because once I escape outside of it again
I can come back and be stronger for the experience. It isn't it isn't bad bet. Escapism at least me
It's kind of like
cross-training in a way for for real life
Just like in not, you know a one-for-one
Aspect ratio, but like you're you're you're practicing the things
that would benefit your real-life determinism and and and
Focusing and you know all of the things that you need to do to be really good at one thing or another
You know that that definitely makes sense. It's like skateboarding and snowboarding or whatever. They kind of hold the same
Practices once you get into once you learn what the groove is
It's so easy to just fall into it that getting better just it's Emmitt. It's imminent because you're spending time on it
There is almost no way that
Spending more time and any particular thing will make you more more wise in that one thing
you just can't help it and that's why it's so important to
Be weary as to how one spends their time
Yes
Once again why we're having this conversation
In the first place because we want to be able to be honest with ourselves and ask
Are we actually spending our time wisely? Is it worth it? Is it really really worth it?
Although we spend all of our childhood and our teenage years playing
Playing video games all of that stuff can be easily vindicated. Ah, we were kids. So when it comes to that it's like
we the best you can hope for is that your kid is just gonna be like
I'm just gonna play some video game just gonna hang out, you know, yeah, not too much. Yeah
just enough the
Right amount to just like anything else
I guess you would you might say is that in in moderation is probably the way to go, right?
You definitely don't want to fall into the pit
And what is moderation though? Because
Imagine you imagine your imagine. You're a child that genuinely wants to make video games and perhaps
Critique video games for a living and like genuinely move the artform forward in some fashion
How how do you tell them when when too much is too much when you have?
When you're a pianist, you know, not that not that I know anything about our like being a pianist
But I can only imagine the amount of time that it takes to become a good pianist and or even just an average one
Not let alone be a good one. So in that that's a skill that just like with video games is
requires a lot of your time
Because you anybody can play video games in terms of accessibility sure, but being good at video games. Well, that's the thing that's important
That's a good distinction and I can't remember
The guys name exactly the stand-up comedian who had a bet about this
but it was that video games are one of the probably the only medium that
will
Prohibit you from playing them if you're not good enough at it, you know what I mean?
You you have to be you
actually
There's a threshold you actually have to
Sharpen your skills in in the boundaries of the game in order to progress where it's like if you reading a book
Halfway through the book. It doesn't just close and go. Yeah, the themes guys jokes. I'm not trying to paraphrase. Yeah. Exactly. No, yeah
We're trying to plagiarize no no, but the idea behind it is solid
It's all totally you it it's not
it's a hobby that you need to practice if you if you want to continue to have it as a hobby and one that you
Need to get better
and if you want to be an aficionado or an actual enthusiast in it
You have to put even more time in the pool is so big. You have to really select you
I mean you only have so much time first of all and second of all
There's a million-in-one games that you could play and half of them are great. How do you you know, what?
What by what parameters do you choose to to limit these to like what if there's something important about it?
What should I play and what's good about it? And why is it good?
those are all very important in general questions that everybody could ask themselves because
Whether you're playing for a league or that you're just playing because you've just got off work
You have to really consider what game are you gonna pop into your console?
Well, then where you're gonna pick from your library because that is genuine hours and moments spent from your life
You are a person and you are a person who will be spending their time in front of them in computer screen
TV you will be doing something that will take you away from other potential things
Why is it that that is so important at that particular moment?
Why is it that it is now more important to play video games and cleaning up around you? Yeah, there are
Very valid question and I'm sure one that a lot of people are asking themselves. They listen to this podcast -
Well, I mean to be upfront I still play video games, you know, every maybe not every day, but you know
sometimes I'll take a month off or or whatever, but it
Even even if I play every day, even if I don't even if I don't play for a couple weeks
It's it's the same kind of I think there's something special now. That's built up. I think over a lifetime
Literally a lifetime of playing video games that it's become
less of a hobby and more of like something that's personally intrinsic to
My well-being in a sense, like it it it
Sometimes I feel like if it's gone too long
Without my having played a video game I get anxious or I get upset about it
And I don't know why and maybe that's unhealthy, but the when I get to play something regardless of its content
it's just the act of
Playing the video game. I guess that kind of
Sedates that monster, you know, they're kind of there's something really important
in
being able to
Occasionally allow yourself to
Escape to somewhere else
for a given period of time and just to really let yourself go into it and to let
Your problems go if just for a little bit. Oh, no, no doubt. That's and that's historically proven if you look at the
It you look at festivals like Saturnalia, you know people didn't have the capacity to be able to create a virtual escapism
So they have to create one in the real world where it's like alright for three days
We're just going to go kind of crazy. Just just go crazy. Just go crazy don't yeah, don't take anything
Seriously, you know just, you know, just live it up for three days
That's how much we can afford and then everyone goes back to normal afterwards just pining for the next time Saturnalia comes around
so we can try that again and
So that craving has always been there. So
and it's obvious in terms of
Showcasing the market share and how much?
Video games has taken in terms of the pie. You mentioned something about how video games now is beating movies. Yes
I just read that the other day that it was I think that it I
Want to say that it was more than one of the media aspects of business
But that it makes more money
It makes more revenue the video game business makes more revenue than the film industry
Which is mind-boggling because a lot of movies cost
multi million dollars, you know that there are very large numbers and to think that like we're kind of
Starting to see the shift into this environment. That's slightly more
Dominated and it is probably going to be more dominated
In terms of video games and you know going even further than that
augmented or virtual reality like these are definitely
Interests that you can see are peaking in the public and in the markets mind like these are things that are coming on very highly
it's
Inevitable it almost feels like, you know, especially with the advent of virtual reality
they are people want more interactivity with their digital realm and
Going back to less interactivity to just sitting on a screen and watching
Feels even right now you're gonna decade later if it was primitive already. Like I'm watching Deadpool 2 and I'm like
That's really cool
You know
Like I'm just sitting here
But like wouldn't it be really cool to play a Deadpool video game that looked hyper realistic like this and Ryan Reynolds
All of the motion capture
It would be it would be like one of those like Walking Dead video games
One of the tell-tale game exactly, you know. Mm-hmm and those are good
They're really good that well
At least the walking dead one says the only ones I played but they really be they've got a good way of captivating
yeah, yeah, even though it's just
Well, yeah, I guess what it really is is the Walking Dead those video games are particular not to go off on a tangent
but like they really
Reinforce
this notion
Of whether it's in a post-apocalyptic world or not
That like a lot of the decisions that you have to make in life are kind of shitty in one way or another
like you don't
You know you can you usually don't get to have your cake and eat it too kind of that's the way the game plays
You know, it's like no matter what you do
Like life always finds a way to bite you in the ass and that really showcases what people love video games so much
mmm to cut to begin with it is the type of escapism that allows you to retry if
me that's one of the reasons why I enjoy
Retry and trial games like that is because you get multiple chances to be good
Because I know that I won't be good the first time around
so but if given multiple chances
I know that I'll be able to pull something off. That will be great and
Video games allows you that as opposed to the real world where?
for the most part it's do or die all of the time you you have to be really cognizant as to all of your
interpersonal interactions economic interactions anything that you're doing
So because it's a lot of stress and it is a lot of stress and because of that
It doesn't allow
Allow for a lot of creativity
I feel unless you are a specific kind of person right and because you have to play it safe
It's like there is no retry but not here. So because I yeah, so because of that I have to be conservative by nature
Because the moment that you try to step too far off the lines use then you start veering off into into chaos
Yeah, you don't want to slip into chaos. No not at least not not unguarded. No, yeah
Yeah, but so because of that the escapism that video game allows
once again
Puts into question as to whether you one should be escaping from those realities because that is real life, right?
so like real life is the continuation of
Chaos being like six feet away at all time. Like you never really know
What the next what the next tragedy is gonna be or what?
The next opportunity is gonna be not, you know not to have to look at it to pessimistically all the time
well, I think yeah, I think if you if you
boil that question down just a little bit it is it beneficial and how is it beneficial and how can we if we can
Identify that you know, if you know not just from personal experience
But like how can we really nail that down? If we if we were to try to write like yeah
What? Yeah, I mean obviously like you were saying earlier
There is something deeply beneficial in
Wanting yeah having this determination to make yourself better. There's you. Yeah, absolutely
And I feel like at least in the video games that I enjoy
There are a and amongst those. It's the the micromanaging Sims the
the crafting and the building type things and and I think that the reason that I enjoy it so much is because of
Its allowance for me
It gives me the ability and other people like it gives us the ability to put chaos in order to create
In your own small way right to just take things and to make them cleaner and to make them sharper
And and and yeah, I don't know. I think there's something important about that being able to
especially if you come from maybe a childhood that wasn't as structured or
Maybe you didn't have two parents growing up or whatever. It was that like kind of just made you feel
Imbalanced or whatever it was for me. It was always that like
minecrafter or
Stardew valley I think is a really good one. It just allows you this
Opportunity to have everything in as much perfect order as you wanted
There's some serenity to the place that you having him. Yes
there's something that you because it's your isn't right and right it clean because you made it good, you know you
crafted it into something that came from
Either nothing or just chaos, right?
That's one of the things that I always hated about the hearth fire DLC in Skyrim was the fact that they company comes pre
Prepackaged they say exactly so everything is already on the table. Everything already has a particular aesthetic to it
So I was like how old this is in my house. Like I just I bought furniture is essentially what I did
Yeah, man, making something here. Yeah, exactly. And it those kind of things are tears in the escapism that to
To know for the most part a great game skyrim
allows allows for a wonderful wonderful escapism at any any particularly given moment if you want to play it on your
On your Motorola pager, you know
You know all those major consoles yes
Yeah
It it most certainly allows it but one thing that I do think that is very interesting
Is how at least us growing up? We've had the capacity and ability to create so many characters
we've ran we've had the
We've had the ability to be able to create
Simulations of what it means to be a good person what it means to be an evil person
What because at least a little a little back in the day the the choices weren't as watered down
It wasn't as much they were that it wasn't all grey muck of
great morality because that's
Essentially what you get when there's no clue good or evil it's just gray and I want to I want to be able to choose
Gray, if I want to I want to choose my shade of grave. Yes everything
Yeah, if everything is great what difference does it make? Yeah, unfortunately
Perhaps that's our that's our crutch as narrative-driven creatures that we just require
Some sort of arbiter in terms of okay. Was that a good voice?
Like did something like was somebody out there thinking that was a good?
Like but somebody agree with me when I thought that was a good choice
Because that's what I thought was one of the really cool things that really allowed me to escape in The Witcher 3
Is that the the choices were very very?
varied and while you were and are very interconnected and
One-one conversation could completely mess up another conversation the people you thought were your friends. Yes
That's though. Yeah, you fall into that kind of character
and I think the reason why they're able to do that and
it is that a crutch that perhaps with Asda has to fix on its own is that
When you create a character that everybody has to create
everybody has to create their own individual character that umbrella is so wide that it's like
How how can you make a narrative that's impactful in any way right for that sort of situation?
You have to put limits on their literal. Yeah, once again if we want to talk about time spent there are literal
hours spent by people
coding and creating and beta testing these games and they have to make a choice that
Okay, we can make a profound story that literally no one will ever play or we can create a couple explore one
Or we can create a couple extra side quests that might be pretty cool
We'll have six of those as opposed to one epic sweeping story. It's
It's all about time budgeting. It's
Genuinely all about how one wishes to go about spending their time and it almost feels like the market has spoken
Because I mean, although people complain. We like suckers all go off and buy the next video
Yeah, I mean i'm gonna buy fallout 17 solutely
Well the moment that I know that it comes out because I could talk smack about it all day long
But I'm still gonna try it out. I'm not gonna pre-order it be no
No, no, but it's not especially not for Bethesda because they are
Very likely to release an unfinished game. Exactly. Well, they won't finish
Yeah, I'm actually I'm retracting what I'm saying. And I might actually wait the whole three weeks before the whole patch comes out
yeah, the full for fallout 76 not a bad plan, but you know that actually yeah that
that that count that just try to bring it all back to the whole creating of character and how
the ability to escape from this reality then allows you to go forth and
Try out
You know other hats in other realities, yeah, and perhaps vent in this particular way, you know
I allow that allow the air to exercise a little bit
You know in its own playground that won't hurt anyone and that's this is a brand new environment for that too. Yes, exactly
Yeah, it's a it's a new
Yeah, it's a new playground for people to really and I guess sometimes it kind of turns dark
But but at the same time it's created like some pretty amazing things. I mean
Doesn't Yvonne Line have its own like well, that's that's a place
Yeah
People have escaped to EVE Online. Yeah
Yeah
People are genuine CEOs and presidents of companies and stuff on that game in that game worth actual money worth actual money your life
whatever that means
Yeah, the escapism really hell once you try to save one place you really showcase the layerings of escapes that
Exists all over the place that are possible. Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's a sadness. You can never you got to be careful you you just can't
You can't overdo it with any one thing. That's not a good idea for for anything just but it well video games
Yeah and everything else so they all have their extreme examples
But yeah
it it is really unfortunate how
Usually only the louder cases are the ones that end up shaping public opinion in the long run. That is true, isn't it?
yeah, yeah and
Yeah, only the small Matt's that are really loud and poke you in the eye are the ones that actually make any dent in you
for the most part because
There are millions people every day single day that either go to school, you know and come back
I'll go to work and come back and then just sit down and play a video game, you know, whatever they're doing whether they're murdering
hordes of people hordes of zombies or whether they're creating beautiful villages
Someplace. Well, that's just the thing too is like them too the more taboo or the more explorative the idea the
the less you're gonna be able to hold it down and the more it's gonna
Spread it and it seems we've learned our lesson in terms of that a little bit these in terms of video games
People are just coming. And you know, it's a scary thing because
Once again was being young
It's really hard to put ourselves in the perspective of an adults in that time when it's like okay
This is a brand new medium and we do not know how his will react to being able to now be
Be given a controller that now allows you to shoot people, you know in this virtual space so I can totally understand the worry
I can understand being wary about anything like that because
Who possibly knows you you open?
you genuinely have opened Pandora's box with video games as we have as a species because as we said there are
The categories are infinite in terms of the kind of games. You can play it's so ubiquitous that it will never go away now
It's so unbelievably ingrained that unless there is some ridiculous solar flare destroys all electromagnetic
You know
receptors is just
Hopefully not but yeah, yeah forever. Yeah and only more
more EF as it goes along and and I think like
like yeah because we both have
Virtual reality sets. Yeah, we both are
kind of privy to this sort of
Sensation that I knew there new sunrise, right? Okay
Yeah, the new horizon right the next planet that we're leaping off to in the video game world and whether or not like it goes
down that Avenue
determinant Li the the only virtual reality but the this whole
It provides a new
Level of immersion, you know, even before I ever got to experience it. I was thinking about it very
Intently, and I wanted to know I wanted to because I've always been a fan of that type of escapism when it comes to video
games and in virtual reality seemed like the pinnacle of this idea of a
near-perfect immersion and
as as
Rudimentary as it is right right now. Yeah, it's still
Exceptional it still provides you with this feeling that you cannot experience
Unless you've unless you've tried it on unless you put on the headset and fucking hold something and imagine yourself
Somewhere that you're not and we have the most modest of systems. Yes, because we only have the psvr. Yeah
I have simple
I have tried I have tried the oculus rift in the HT HT C vibe and I can most certainly say that they are far
Superior products, but for the layman that can only afford I can't before that extra couple hundred bucks. That's right
The psvr is most only a great product and I have enjoyed it, highly it really does it
it really does break that little sliver extra through the glass of immersion because although
because I got the Skyrim bundle for it as you did to you know, and
Although though the controls are really airy like though everything doesn't and not a lot
nothing has a lot of weight to it in terms of holding it the ability to be able to actually
Bring things closer to your face and expect that they expect it and actually set it down and let go and like watch it land
Properly is something that oh, I was so excited because now hearthfire was finally something
Yeah, exactly. Give the escapism Avenue once again was open and terminal. Yeah. Yes, exactly
You can audition. Yeah, it is
that yeah, and I think it goes the same for
The game that you first introduced me to on the PS. We are super hot. Ok. Yes, please
Only the Xbox version beforehand which was fun. It was a great arcade game, but diving in the super hot was
Talking about escape as oh man. Yeah talk about escapism if you haven't tried it listeners, please
find your nearest psvr friend somebody who has a yeah, because
Experience or ding or whatever we are, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well anything that can play anyone are different. Yeah, and that's an it
Yeah, I think it's important
To be able to and again as like rudimentary as it is to put yourself in this
sort of experience that that you've never experienced before and allow it to even if you don't like video games just allow it to
sort of impact you or sort of change you on its own level, you know what I mean the the whole
and I think that's what it would be for anybody is just this this, you know fourth level of immersion where
Like I mean, I can't even count the number of times
There was a little wall next to me in the virtual reality
that I thought was there and I went to lean on the wall and I fell on my ass because there's obviously
No fucking wall there, right exactly dumb ass. Yeah, who is totally a
Phenomena is real. Oh, yeah, as far as your brain knows we're in this happening. We're in this place now
Yeah, how interesting how how pliable your brain is just sucker. Yeah, it's like oh, oh, is this reality now? That's cool
That's cool. Yeah, it's cool. It's a little less. It's a little less polished than the last one
Well, we can work with it for sure
the plasticity input yeah
The plasticity is wonderful and man that just goes to show that the future is gonna be ridiculous because if our brain really can
Be so easily
Fooled into thinking that and that reality is yeah
you know real enough to think that a crate next to you is Lena bull is
that you you've lost already like you you are you've already pretty much lost because just a little extra rendering, you know, and perhaps
creating a room that uh
That moves with you in a particular way
Just pretty much and take you in an obsolete, ly ridiculous way and because of that once again, we have to consider
how
applicable of a good time that is considering how
unbelievably
immersed that is in everybody's everyday of life is like all the things that we're talking about every single one of those at
So we're talking about so giddy are things that will happen and because of that we will have to deal with whatever X
Consequences will be may be the consequences will be minimal and then it will just be perhaps a watering down of narrative for for
More gameplay features as the as more kinesthetic needs are placed above
Above narrative ones. Maybe that's the only thing that will come down to it. You know or me, you know
and it might just or
or it might be a little darker and we might see another period where people are leaving their babies to die in South Korea because
They're playing. Wow so much. I mean that kind of situation still
happens from time to time where the
The love of video games just goes to such a dark degree that
You know lives are lost
Yeah, and because of that it is a real topic to talk to speak about because it has taken lives essentially really
Depressing but yeah, it's worth it's worth it. For sure. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's just real yeah. Yeah. Yeah
You can't I mean that's just you can
Fuck man with anything. You just can't
You can't put the horse. Yeah, what good. Is it the horse before the carriage? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's something like that
Yeah that yeah
It's like once again as we said we do give it just a tool to be able to feel X way
you can feel melancholy sad happy no static, you know a book via be simply a way for you to
develop new ideas and
right because it's a mechanism to
foster empathy to a certain degree because every single video game or
Movie or any sort of medium was created by another person
right a single thing was created by a person with
Intentionality s behind their thinking even if they themselves are fooling themselves the thinking they were being unbiased doesn't create that
No, probably the most objective person
Exactly right. Well, we yeah, we show peace
Yeah, we showcase our biases as we speak without even realizing it but that's what makes us human. And that's what makes it
So the video games as a whole can reach us in such different in such different ways
Because every single person is different and because of that there is a more get for almost anyone
Exactly. Every person is reachable, you know, so and it's only gonna get more
so yeah, I think yeah, I mean it's already the highest, you know, gross and
Media platform. How could it not get higher? I don't write even I
mean shit
man little kids little kids could probably kick our asses and a lot of videogames, right and
It probably will be able to in the future for sure. I mean as we lose our cognitive abilities. Oh God motor functions
Yeah
Who knows that yeah, I'm not looking forward to that day when my nephew beats me and super smash bros, man
I'll tell you what, that's what I'll probably cry a little bit. I'll leave the room
He's part of my soul is died right there as he
Slowly comes to realize that he probably could have beat you like to you
Yeah, you probably gonna do when I was just I can talk down to him
Yeah, he's like man uncle is really gonna be very gonna beat me. Yeah
That's what you have to stay sharp played over the years yes, yes, you know, I don't know I don't know if there's
something that's
Intrinsically important in videogames, but I think that
The platform itself, just just the the media itself offers us
so much in terms of
growth and
and
Creative thought that you know, it's it's definitely a very least not worth dismissing a fan
there are really
Really important aspects of video games that that talk at the real heartstrings of life
Genuinely, and I think with that we're gonna be sending ourselves off into space
Yeah blasting off again and
That was our lethal discussion
I hope that we gave some killer thoughts out there and you guys have a good day and good night. Good night
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