- We are 10 miles from the French border in Italy.
Behind me, San Remo and the Mediterranean.
But between here and there,
is an iconic downhill track called Due Muri.
We're here to ride an e-bike, the motor off,
versus a downhill bike.
So here's the two bikes.
Haibike 180, Enduro 10.
And the Canyon Sender.
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At the top level of downhill there's been
an obsession with weight loss for many years,
be it in carbon fibre or aluminium.
If you could remember that Mondraker brought
32 pound downhill bike in aluminium, 10 years ago.
But still, in the pits, if you haven't got a carbon
32 pound bike, you've got no chance.
So the theory goes.
But then, 2010, Gee Atherton won the World Cup Series
on a 42 pound common style.
That's not so long ago, really.
Okay, so the e-bike we have is the Haibike
XDURO Enduro 10, aluminium chassis, aluminium wheels,
180 mo travel.
So, there's a lot of talk about e-bikes,
that they're really slow and sluggish,
but I mean, of course, if you're on a flat pedaler
shootout between a 20 pound cross country bike,
and a 45 pound e-bike, then that cross country
bike's gonna win every time.
But what about on a super tough downhill track?
Let's go and ride this.
Now there is no doubt that the challenge we've set
these two bikes here in San Remo is a proper one.
This is a full on downhill track.
You know, it's worthy of World Cup status.
And I think overall, I think the track is definitely
gonna benefit the downhill bike.
Because of those big, big, hits, this big
arm wrestle sections, you know,
just like this one here.
Bonkers.
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So I think when you're in these kind of big
extreme downhill sections, you might need to think
of your line choice a bit more on the e-bike,
they kind of mellow align.
So yeah, really interesting.
It's places like this where you
gotta be super careful of exit speed.
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Overall, it's a story of profit and loss as you're
working down the hill.
The e-bike's gonna gain in some sections,
the downhill in others.
But remember, the e-bike is really heavy,
so you've gotta be really super careful
on your entry speed into the corners,
because, for example, here's a kind of down section
followed by a flat section, so the story here is
if you get it wrong on the corner, you're gonna be
at a disadvantage on the flat section on the e-bike.
But remember, we're riding the e-bike with the motor off.
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Whoa!
Really really liked that track.
Wow, it's gonna be quite challenging actually,
I think the high speed, the corners is just immense,
so flowing, so, I think my gut feeling is the
downhill bike is gonna up to handle a track like that,
but you still got the weight and the momentum
of this e-bike, so I don't think it's gonna be far off.
It's gonna be super close.
But, what a treat, riding that.
Amazing.
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Woo!
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Oh my God!
Wow!
Crikey.
First impressions, there's a lot more kind of,
lot more movement on the downhill bike
compared to the e-bike.
So, it's quite difficult to adapt,
'cause you get locked in a sideways kinda
skittering and stuff like that.
At the same time, you can definitely gap sections,
quite, well, not easier but in a different manner
on this bike.
Ah, wow.
Not so sure about the open face helmet on these both bikes.
Should've been riding a downhill helmet for sure.
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Tell you what.
I don't feel like I can bulldoze this bike like
I can on the e-bike.
Yeah, maybe it's just a bit of adaption coming into place.
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Yeah, do you know what,
I think on sections like that,
big rocks, big arm wrestle sections,
the longer wheel base of the downhill bike,
the bigger fork, all contributes to a more stable,
straight line ride to it.
But do you know what?
I think at the end of this, whichever bike wins,
who cares?
I mean, this is great fun doing this.
Amazing.
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The corner exit speed in the downhill bike
is gonna be gain intense every second,
all the way down this track.
It's just gotta simple lightweight little bike, really.
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Oh, man, Jacko, can we stay here all week?
That's such good fun.
Do you know what?
Difference between two bikes, ironically I think
it's exit speed on the downhill bike
and pedalling that might give it the edge.
Together with the straight line composure
on the really big nasty stuff,
kind of in the stability the downhill bike gives you.
But yeah, like I said, yeah, can we come back to San Remo
and spend two weeks here?
- [Man] I'm down.
- (laughing) Yes!
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Wow.
What a day.
On a very difficult, very technical,
very physical hill in San Remo, right?
So what factors contribute to the final result?
Well, the rider, the track, the weather conditions,
the geometry, the suspension design, the tyres,
there's so many things that affect a timed run.
But what we're saying here is just this one rider,
one track, one day of the year.
We're not making any big sweeping generalisations
whether e-bike versus downhill bike,
one is faster than the other, it's just.
It's just a bit of fun.
- What about the feel of it?
Any observations from those rides?
- Yeah, I think the Haibike, it had good grip,
good stability, I think everything except on the
super high speed stuff, it was really good.
I could still gap things, like we were talking,
it's just different timing on the e-bike.
- So what about feeling versus fact?
I know, in my experience, 29ers for example,
they don't feel fast, but they work.
- Yeah, totally.
You know, you get on the Sender and
it felt lightning quick, immediately.
Although a little bit nervy.
It felt like there was a bit more deflection,
you need to be a little bit more precise,
especially amongst the rocks.
Exit speed on the corners was bonkers.
It was like, oh my God, I thought
this was gonna be tenths of a second every corner,
that thing is about 82 corners on that track.
But, do you know what, it's quite funny,
was that I found there was more arm fatigue in the Sender,
and more leg fatigue in the Haibike.
But I think that was probably because
I should really be riding an XL Haibike,
but you know, maybe my suspension set
wasn't brilliant in the Haibike.
- But then, I would think the weight of the e-bike
is gonna play through, and I think you'll be
feeling less fatigued, certainly in your arms.
But that's not scientific by any means,
that's just what I feel I think from those two bikes.
But, let's hit you with the results, Steve.
- Okay, this is, yeah, I'm feeling,
I'm definitely feeling kinda, I'm feeling Sender here.
- Well.
- Definitely feeling Sender, kind of.
- Three minutes 35 on the e-bike.
So, it's a medium length track.
- Yeah, yeah.
- Three minutes 37 on the Canyon Sender downhill bike.
- Really?
Are you serious?
- It's only two seconds, that's not a huge amount.
- No.
- In a downhill race, yes, that's win or lose,
but on the case of one person, two runs,
that's very very close.
- Do you know, I mean, I'm surprised there
because you know, you got a smaller fork
on the Haibike, you got some big big hits on that track,
and yeah, I guess it comes back again
to feeling versus fact.
I'm pretty surprised about that.
- You're not using the motor at all on that trail,
you're above the pedal assist speed for most of it,
on the South side, it's not down.
- I think exactly, done.
I had the motor off.
- That was it.
I didn't know that.
You've shocked me with this news.
- Sorry.
But do you know what?
I think the bottom line Don, is I absolutely loved
riding that Canyon Sender down that downhill track,
every second of the day.
But I think I loved riding the Haibike
just a little bit more.
- [Don] Well, two great bikes, of course.
But I definitely think, you get to the bottom of the run,
you're gonna turn around your e-bike
and get straight back up the hill,
you don't have to wait for an uplift.
- Yeah, totally, and another thing as well
is that most people won't be putting their life
on the line-- - Yeah, absolutely.
- Doing downhill runs on their bike.
But at least they can be happy in the knowledge
that riding an e-bike, it's not gonna be
disadvantaging them.
- Yeah, absolutely.
- So there you go.
There's our e-bike versus downhill bike.
So like I said, we're not making sweeping generalisations,
just a bit of fun, and who cares about the results, really.
- Well let's do some more of these,
we'll do some more versus videos,
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