THE NEW YORK TIMES HAS RECENTLY REPORTED THAT THERE WAS
AN INDIVIDUAL WORKING ON HILLARY CLINTON'S 2008 CAMPAIGN WHO WAS
ACCUSED OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT BY ANOTHER FEMALE EMPLOYEE WHO WAS
30 AT THE TIME, AND WHEN HILLARY CLINTON WAS ADVISED TO FIRE THIS
INDIVIDUAL SHE REFUSED TO DO SO.
THE MAN IN QUESTION IS BURNS
STRIDER --
>>WHO IS LIKE HER FAITH-BASED INITIATIVE ADVISOR?
>>YES, I WILL GIVE YOU DETAILS ABOUT WHAT HE DID BECAUSE HIS
ROLE IN MY OPINION
WAS UNNECESSARY, BUT --
>>AS FAR AS HIS ROLE --
>>MAYBE HILLARY'S FAITH IS IMPORTANT TO HER BUT I WOULD
ARGUE THAT IF SOMEONE IN YOUR CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF
SEXUAL HARASSMENT BY ANOTHER EMPLOYEE IN YOUR CAMPAIGN, YOU
SHOULD RECONSIDER WHETHER THAT PERSON SHOULD BE THERE.
MAYBE
FIRE THAT PERSON.
BUT SHE DIDN'T. NOW --
>>BUT HE WAS LATER FIRED BECAUSE OF SIMILAR ISSUES.
>>A COUPLE THINGS HERE, HE'S WORKING ON THE 2008 CAMPAIGN AND
THAT'S WHY FIVE YEARS LATER HE GETS HIRED BY CORRECT THE RECORD
TO WORK ON THE NEXT CAMPAIGN.
THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE IN
DISPUTE, THEY HAVE FOUR SOURCES, INCLUDING IT APPEARS VERY HIGH
OFFICIALS IN THE CAMPAIGN SAYING WELL, WE WANTED THE GUY FIRED,
WE TRIED TO GET HILLARY TO FIRE HIM -- AND THEY ARE ALL WOMEN,
WHETHER IT'S THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER OR THE NATIONAL DIRECTOR
OF OPERATIONS AND WHO ORIGINALLY FIELDED THE COMPLAINT AND
CONCLUDED THAT STRIDER SHOULD BE FIRED.
TO ANA'S POINT, LET'S SAY
YOU ARE RELIGIOUS, AND TO BE FAIR I HAD BEEN CYNICAL ABOUT
HILLARY'S RELIGIOSITY, BUT MAYBE SHE IS.
MAYBE SHE IS -- I WAS
GOING TO SAY A BIBLE FROM HER, I'M NOT A RELIGIOUS PERSON, I
DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY AND I DON'T WANT IT INFORMING OUR
LEADERS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM THINKING THEY ARE TALKING
TO GOD -- BUT EVEN IF YOU ARE, OKAY, YOU LOVE IT, SHE'S A
DEVOUT CHRISTIAN, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT -- YOU CAN'T PICK UP A
BIBLE AND READ A VERSE?
YOU CAN'T FIND SOME OTHER PASTOR IN THE COUNTRY?
>>I FEEL LIKE IF THAT PERSON'S ONLY ROLE IN YOUR CAMPAIGN IS TO
BE YOUR FAITH ADVISOR AND THERE ARE CREDIBLE SEXUAL HARASSMENT
ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM, DOESN'T THAT NOW MAKE HIS FAITH
ADVISEMENT NULL AND VOID?
I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE FAITH
ADVISED BY SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN SEXUALLY HARASSING A 30-YEAR-OLD
ON MY CAMPAIGN.
>>BY THE WAY HE WAS ALSO MARRIED.
>>IF HE'S MARRIED AND IT TURNS OUT HE HAD AN AFFAIR WITH
SOMEONE ON THE CAMPAIGN, THERE IS CONSENT AND I DON'T CARE,
IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED.
LET
ME GIVE YOU THE DETAILS OF THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM --
>>THROUGH THIS INVESTIGATION SHE SHARED THOSE EMAILS TO PROVE
IT, WHICH IS WHY HILLARY CLINTON WAS ADVISED AND URGED TO FIRE
HIM, AND SHE REFUSED.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
AND THEN THE 2016
CAMPAIGN HAS THE AUDACITY TO START JUDGING WOMEN FOR NOT
VOTING FOR HILLARY CLINTON IF THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF BERNIE.
>>I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.
A SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR WOMEN WHO
DON'T FIRE SEXUAL HARASSERS?
>>THAT IS WHAT MADELEINE ALBRIGHT SAID.
WAIT A SECOND, SHE DIDN'T.
>>THIS WAS A DIFFERENT TIME, THEY DID PUNISH HIM, HE GOT
DOCKED PAY, HE HAD TO TAKE SENSITIVITY COURSES OR UNDERGO
COUNSELING, AND THEY DIDN'T DEMOTE HER, THEY MOVED HER TO
ANOTHER JOB.
I THINK IF IT HAPPENED TODAY HE WOULD BE FIRED.
>>THERE ARE CULTURAL CHANGES, AND I THINK IT'S INTERESTING,
JUST TO BE FAIR TO THEM, OR NOT FAIR, BUT THERE'S A WEIRD
TENSION AT THE HEART OF THE CLINTON OPERATION BETWEEN THIS
POWERFUL COUPLE, A WOMAN WHO REGARDLESS -- IT'S NO SECRET
WHAT I THINK OF HER POLITICS BUT SHE'S OBVIOUSLY FORMIDABLE AND
WAS A PART OF BILL CLINTON'S SUCCESS, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND
-- EVEN IN THE MOST BENIGN SCENARIO THERE WAS WEIRD STUFF
GOING ON WITH BILL CLINTON, THERE WAS WEIRD GENDER DYNAMICS,
AND I THINK THIS SPEAKS TO THAT.
IF THIS WAS A CAMPAIGN I WOULD
RUN WITH IT AND TRY TO CRUCIFY HER ON IT BECAUSE I WANT TO WIN,
RIGHT NOW IT'S SAD AND EMBARRASSING AND IT'S FINE TO
BRING UP HER HYPOCRISY, BUT C'EST LA VIE, HILLARY CLINTON,
JUST DON'T WRITE ANOTHER BOOK.
>>I JUST DON'T WANT TO HEAR HER TALK ABOUT HOW SHE IS THIS
VICTIM OF SEXISM AND ALL THESE MEN WHO HAVE DONE AND SAID
TERRIBLE THINGS TO HER, AND HER CAMPAIGN SLOGAN WAS I'M WITH
HER.
WELL, WERE YOU WITH HER WHEN IT CAME TO A 30-YEAR-OLD
WOMAN WHO WORKED ON YOUR 2008 CAMPAIGN?
>>THIS FEELS LIKE A STRETCH TO ME, NOT THAT THE STORY SHOULDN'T
BE COVERED, BUT THEY DID BELIEVER.
IT'S JUST THAT THEY
DIDN'T TAKE THE FIRING ACTION, THEY PUNISHED HIM IN A DIFFERENT
WAY.
SHE ASKED NOT TO WORK WITH THE GUY.
>>TAKE HILLARY OUT OF IT, I HAVE TO JUMP IN WITH THIS
BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A BLIND SPOT BECAUSE OF GENDER ISSUES
HERE.
IF I'M WORKING AT TYT, LET'S PUT IT IN OUR CONTEXT,
THERE IS A MALE EMPLOYEE HERE WHO IS SENDING ME THESE EMAILS
MAKING ME UNCOMFORTABLE, HARASSING ME, I GO TO MY
SUPERIORS, THEY URGE CENK TO FIRE HIM, AND CENK SAYS I'M
NOT GOING TO FIRE HIM, I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE HIM WORK IN A
DIFFERENT POSITION WITHIN THE SAME COMPANY, I STILL HAVE
TO DEAL WITH THAT PERSON.
>>OR MAKE YOU WORK IN A DIFFERENT POSITION, THAT'S WHAT
THEY DID.
>>AND
EITHER WAY THEY ARE WORKING ON THE SAME CAMPAIGN STILL.
>>THE CAMPAIGN IS HUGE.
I'M WITH YOU, YOUR SCENARIO JUST ISN'T
QUITE WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
THAT SHE ASKED NOT TO HAVE ANY MORE
INTERACTION WITH HIM AND SHE DIDN'T. IT'S A HUGE CAMPAIGN,
THERE ARE A ZILLION PLACES TO PUT PEOPLE.
THEY SHOULD HAVE
FIRED HIM, BUT IN 2008 THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.
>>THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES TO SPREAD RACIST RUMORS ABOUT
BARACK OBAMA.
>>AS WITH EVERYONE HERE I DON'T HAVE ANY LOVE FOR HILLARY
CLINTON, I WISH THEY HADN'T CHOSEN HER AS A CANDIDATE, I
COULD GO ON FOREVER.
HAVING SAID THAT, LET'S ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT HILLARY CLINTON IS IN A TOUGH SPOT THERE.
A UNIQUE SPOT.
IN THAT SHE HAS THE BILL CLINTON BAGGAGE.
SO WITH THE BILL
CLINTON BAGGAGE IF SHE STARTS FIRING PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE
THIS, AND THEN PEOPLE TURN AROUND AND GO, WHAT ABOUT YOUR
HUSBAND AND WHAT HE DID WITH MONICA LEWINSKY, WASN'T THAT A
SUBORDINATE WHO WORKED UNDER BILL CLINTON?
DOES THAT JUSTIFY
KEEPING ON SEXUAL HARASSERS?
NO.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO BE CLEAR
ABOUT HIS HILLARY CONSENT CAN'T FIGHT BACK, SHE CAN'T GO PUBLIC
AND SAY HERE ARE THE THINGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW, BECAUSE THAT WILL
GET HER IN A WORLD OF TROUBLE AND A MESS ON TOP OF A MESS.
>>SHE SHOULD HAVE HAD HIM FIRED AND BILL SHOULD HAVE DONE
IT HIMSELF.
>>I JUST ASSUMED THIS WAS SOMEONE SHE CARED ABOUT, LIKE A
FRIEND, THAT SHE DIDN'T WANT TO THROW UNDER THE BUS.
BECAUSE IT
WOULD NEVER BE A NEWS STORY THEN, THIS KIND OF THING
WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN COVERED, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BURY IT, NO
ONE WAS GOING TO GO PUBLIC WITH IT, IT'S A DIFFERENT ERA.
BUT
ANA, YOUR EXAMPLE IS TRUE AND IT SUGGESTS THERE'S A DIFFERENT
INTERPRETATION, IF SOMEONE WAS SENDING YOU THOSE THINGS AND YOU
IN ANY WAY HAD TO WORK WITH HIM --
THE GUY SHOULD BE FIRED NO MATTER WHAT BUT IF THE
CIRCUMSTANCES WERE LESSER, YES, HE WOULD HAVE TO BE FIRED.
>>AND CENK, TO RESPOND TO WHAT YOU SAID, SHE IS IN A TOUGH
POSITION BUT IT CUTS BOTH WAYS.
MEANING THAT AFTER THAT WHOLE
BILL CLINTON THING HAPPENED, WHAT DID HILLARY DO, WHAT WAS
HER RESPONSE?
IT WAS TO PUT DOWN THE WOMEN WHO MADE THE
ACCUSATIONS AGAINST HIM.
SHE DIDN'T SUPPORT THE WOMEN.
SHE
DIDN'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT SHE DID, AND IT WAS TO PUT THOSE
WOMEN DOWN.
THEN YOU HAVE THIS EXAMPLE FROM 2008, IT DOESN'T
LOOK GOOD.
SO SHE'S IN A TOUGH SPOT BUT I THINK THE PRINCIPLED
THING TO DO WOULD BE TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE WORKING ON YOUR
CAMPAIGN BY FIRING AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS DOING SOMETHING
INAPPROPRIATE.
>>AND ONE MORE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT, THESE ARE NOT JUST
ALLEGATIONS AND THEY AREN'T JUST FROM ONE PERSON.
IT SEEMS
HEAVILY BACKED UP, INCLUDING BY THE TOP ADVISORS SHE HAD AT THE
TIME.
SO GIVEN THAT CONTEXT, NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF BAD SPOT YOU
THOUGHT SHE WAS IN, AND ALL THE CONTEXT WE HAVE GIVEN, AT A
MINIMUM IT APPEARS TO BE
ENORMOUSLY HYPOCRITICAL.
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