we've been hearing a lot piecemeal over
the past few years about chemicals and
about the dangers of nuclear radiation
you don't get an accent either on
individual tragedy very much or putting
the whole thing and put it into
perspective to see what is happening to
his totally what we got stories about
and documentaries about love canal but
that's that's just about it but tonight
on alternative views we're going to look
at the whole subject and emphasized to
particular subjects if you want to call
them in this the first is the tragedy of
Vietnam veterans who were exposed to
Agent Orange not only the tragedy there
but the continuing tragedy to their
families and their children and the
neglect that they find from the
government and trying to solve their
problems
there's a poor all of this with the
treatment of the post-world war two
soldiers who were also used as guinea
pigs out in the desert when they were
marched into the area of an a bomb
explosion
nothing has been done for them
subsequently to that either will have a
very moving documentary on the subject
of what has happened to the Vietnam vets
and their families in relationship Agent
Orange and will also show you that 1950s
documentary which indicates just how the
government went so far as to show that
nuclear power and nuclear warfare is
safe and they won't have improved right
for everybody's eyes
we have tonight people who have
experienced the tragedy of Agent Orange
Don Horowitz was with the Air Force he
got exposed to it over there then Jordan
was in the army he and his wife Donna
Jordan have experienced the tragedy of
having children who have suffered from
the results of Agent Orange
well first let's talk about ancient
origin dioxin you were in Vietnam both
of you how widespread was the use of it
there and how did you come in contact
with it
well there are various ways of coming in
contact with agent orange and it was
very widespread in the year 62 271 an
estimated 11 million gallons of Agent
Orange was spread over Vietnam which is
a country geographically comparable to
the state of Georgia and how what did
you come into contact with well
personally I was exposed by direct
spring we also build our canteens from
local streams bomb craters rice paddies
where we could get it
and much of this water was contaminated
with agent orange also through eating
local fruits and vegetables and farm
animals livestock chickens and pigs and
stuff that had drank contaminated water
or eating contaminated grasses or weeds
and contaminated meat now the airport's
use this as a herbicide to destroy the
jungle so they be able to see the
movements of Detective movements of the
Viacom etc but apparently it was just
sprayed over widespread areas without
any great control affection landed on
our own troops
Don you were in the Air Force but you
were not involved in the actual spraying
was something everywhere you know how
are you exposed to it
well then they would come by standing
about june-july of 70 usually on a
sunday will be a 3 playing cell
spreading around perimeter place where
base and sometimes they would spray
directly overhead
according to be on the VA's own
statement they assume that you were
exposed to Agent Orange let's talk about
agent orange and dogs which I guess is
the principal killer and agent orange
I've read word oxygen is just absolutely
the most horrible thing ever invented by
man as far as being deadly for a long
period of time
national she grants excited that it is
most deadly chemical molecule man has
ever made and I think that this is a lot
right there but for a reputable of
application like that
with this statement like that this
contaminant was not wanted in agent
orange it wasn't the necessary component
to kill the trees it was an unwanted by
product but it's very toxic three ounces
could wipe out new york city if it were
placed in their drinking water
that's unbelievable you supplied me with
some information for instance i guess
the new york times indicated that one
hundred thousand to a million times more
potent than thalidomide in causing birth
defects among children people exposed to
it that's dioxin we know the awful
widespread tragedy of the little mind
the reason that this deputy director
with the FDA felt it was at that is that
the little mind as tragic as it was was
a one generation thing the oxen changes
the chromosomes so it's an ongoing
problem the children born with birth
defects because of dioxin their children
and their children's children will carry
this forward until and unless genetic
engineering work to become that to you
know that helpful so it is in that way
times worse
so there's tremendous danger to the gene
pool of mankind you take two and a half
million million veterans if they are
able to have children if the condition
is not cause sterility among the vets
and their their children would have
birth defects and then when their
children married that would double and
he could get out of hand real quick and
get out of hand exceptionally quick and
it's not just Vietnam veterans that have
the danger 245 t + 240 the other
chemical or both under scrutiny they'd
both been banned by the US for service
because of numerous occasions of
miscarriages and spontaneous abortions
by pregnant mothers in areas close to
forswear they were spraying for weed
control read and brush control air force
is actually
dumped tons of it in the ocean to get
rid of it don't they
what we know of the major disposal they
had a special ship the Balkan and it was
taken into the South Pacific and all of
the Agent Orange stockpiles were bonded
in this special incinerator ship all the
people working around it were special
suits that included life-support systems
so that they wouldn't breathe any of the
fumes because for one thing when you
incinerate the oxen or agent orange it
makes as much as a hundred times more
antioxidants than was originally in it
we don't know that even by incinerating
it the dioxin was destroyed it may have
simply been changed into a gas and
released into the atmosphere we they
don't know but anyway the suits and
everything that were used to board the
ship were then incinerated after and
then the VA and the government
department of defense everyone turns
around and tells us the Vietnam battery
this stuff is harmless if it's harmless
why all the precautions and disposal
why did South America not one our
stockpiles when we attempted to sell it
to them even though we promise to clean
up the amount of the accident
why are other Vietnam vets Australian is
1500 Australian Vietnam vets that have
United complaining of the same exact
physical and psychological problems of
the American businesses over 4,000 South
Korean soldiers they were in Vietnam
Service they're having the same type of
symptoms so it's not strictly something
that occurred to Americans and that's
not even considering the millions of
people in Southeast Asia that are still
over there still have to live in
contaminated countryside and drink
contaminated
water and eat contaminated food
understand the birth defect and deformed
children being found in Vietnam now is
just extremely astronomical in what
little information we've been able to
get out of Vietnam since the end of the
war indicates in areas sprayed with the
felon as opposed to areas not sprayed
the birth defect rate is seven times
higher
it also has caused a strange incidents
of liver cancer in Vietnam in that
before the use of herbicides in
Southeast Asia statistics were not even
maintained on liver cancer because it
has such a low incidence of occurrence
now it's the number two cause of death
and delivery diamonds are some of the
organs that are initially attacked by
the action in that those organs that
filter out poison
well let's take a look at that film we
were telling you about was made by
celesta be real and it tells about tells
your story problems you've had and the
tragedy of it all
it was harmless by spraying the staff of
approximately 11.3 million gallons of
the sprayed from an aircraft which was
composed an inevitable byproduct known
as the oxen the most toxic small
molecule made by man since returning
from Vietnam it's caused a lot of health
problems for myself
strange 49 logical problems respiratory
distress constantly keep coals and
flu-like illnesses this one for several
years after i came back from Vietnam
into many many different doctors and in
1971 our first child was born in had
multiple birth defects including missing
fingers on his hands and missing bones
in his wrist and his wrists were turned
inward back touching his forearm my life
and I thought this was probably just one
of those things that happens one in a
million times so we were very shocked
when in 1972 our youngest son michael
was born with even worse defects more
missing fingers the same missing bones
and also missing the long bone is that
form and the risk for turned under in
this case we still didn't make the
connection between all these health
problems and agent orange because we
never heard really the problems
associated with agent orange after
intensive research science libraries and
looking through medical journals and
scientific journals and genetic journals
my wife and I decided to set up a little
information center in our home
and we're distributing copies of
different medical scientific journal
reports on the dangers of exposure to
Agent Orange and the action we were
getting calls from men 29 30 years over
45 different kinds of cancer all through
their body and after years of
frustration and having door shut in our
face they were returned we decided to
set up a nonprofit organization and we
call it the Brotherhood of Vietnam
veterans in that basically was what we
wanted it to be a true Brotherhood we're
better no matter how bad out there were
it somehow and within themselves to help
other veterans at least if nothing else
but listening to their problems and
sharing understanding is only they could
have experienced exactly the same thing
and we're at right now is trying to
overturn the ignorance and apathy of the
government the VA and american people in
general and to bring this problem out
into the open because we threw the
amount of evidence compiled in this
short period of time where it made
public to the American people they could
not help but sympathize with the problem
and so that's the problem is corrected
immediately it was during this time that
we were contacted by a former who
husband had bad from cancer card from
exposure by four years ago my husband
Paul died of cancer that was all over
his body with a letter that I received
from his private position i went to the
VA and filed the Agent Orange clean
always denied that i needed clinical
proof i started watching my children
help we had
one of our daughter's taking the md
anderson I her from her upper lip
surgically removed
it's now suspected that she has a tumor
inside final chord her twin is
emotionally disturbed and has a severe
learning disability the two younger
children both have a look on the lower
left that doctors cannot diagnose they
can see I know but it won't show up next
right and it hurts and the youngest one
has some form of an eye diseases that
require 30 wear glasses constantly and
with the information that Danny and
honor had we have that clinical program
and you have to be I still denies it a
real need is to get all this information
together and our only real hope for any
result is going to be through public
exposure and awareness
I actually guess I have a lot to be
thankful for in a lot of ways even
though my children are severely
handicapped they both were blessed with
good mines and otherwise healthy proper
bodies other than the problem with their
hands and they are luckily able now to
play soccer where ironically it's
against the rules to use your hands
I think it's pretty bad that man can go
and fight for their country and then at
the same time being poisoned by their
country
and then when they seek medical health
through the channels supposedly set up
specifically to handle veterans problems
they are lied to laughed at
cheated on and generally just ignored
we think that
a lot of our future lies with
of America today and their intelligence
and their open-mindedness should be able
to find any problem that should come out
we took the medical questionnaire that
we had and fill out and we realized that
there were 35 children born with birth
defects to 24 of these first 100
Veterans of our group 20 all 24 the
bedrooms were having health problems of
symptomatic of Agent Orange poisoning
and three of the vietnam veterans
fathering children with birth defects
are dead the causes were all three
liver-related but i think that the one
statistic that shocked us the most was
that six of the children with birth
defects that were so severe as to cause
death five out of six of these fathers
served during the peak you're spraying
Vietnam so that was nineteen sixty-nine
the one other father father child had
died certain 68 which was the next year
and when we charted this out graphically
realizing that our sample size was small
it was a hundred it was just too much
the way the chart when it is to amount
sprayed in your sprayed and children
born with birth defects to the Father
who served that year the contrast was
quite striking and it fit in with what
other Vietnam veteran groups have found
when they've studied themselves or when
when doctors the people such as dr.
bogan and in Chicago who is studying she
found virtually percentage of illnesses
and effects very similar to what we
found and I think this is very shocking
and it shows a close similarity to
amounts prayed and which is what we
thought we would find well then you've
organized a brotherhood of Vietnam
veterans to try to do something about
this isn't the government helping you at
all
for all practical purposes know the VA
is pretty much don't turned a deaf ear
to the point that when I originally went
to the VA and ask for help specifically
for problems that I felt were due to my
exposure to Agent Orange the first
doctor that that examined meet asked
what is agent orange was not even for
Mary with a night so then I had to go
through the whole routine and time and
time again since forming this
organization in the nearly a thousand
bits they have called in that we spoken
to just in mainly in Texas we hear the
same old story they give them a blood
test your analysis and a chest x-ray
until they're fine to go home not to
worry about a thing when knowing for
welding none of those tests will show at
all whether or not they're suffering
symptoms caused by exposure to Agent
Orange they don't actually have a test
that you can go in and take and they can
say yes you're suffering from problems
or no you're not suffering from problems
dude to your exposure to Agent Orange
this is one thing we want but we'll
start with the veterans are saying hey
we've got thousands of people all over
the United States suffering similar
problems there from all different walks
of life the only thing that all these
people have in common is the fact that
they were in Vietnam understand that
your organization has is getting some
help from the legislature right now in
Texas we are we feel very lucky to have
representatives in Texas like the ones
that we've come in kind
packed with the letter down Shaw is as
proposing some legislation and he's also
been getting a lot of help from
representative Benedict and keys and
support from london william sues the
Veterans Affairs determine the Veterans
Affairs Committee and what we are and
jim hightower president of the Texas
consumers association in that he's very
concerned for the Texas can consumer
about the use of this product in Texas
and we're trying to get documented
medical evidence and statistical
evidence on vets in texas by passing a
bill that would require hospitals and
doctors to keep records according to
where the person is a veteran or not and
of what errors and then all this
statistical evidence will be compiled
and released to the legislature into the
veterans benefits and it also give a
good outline of what the veterans needs
are in the state of Texas it would also
provide for veterans who believe they
were exposed to Agent Orange to have the
proper genetic screening and diagnostic
testing to determine if an instance
where they haven't say father children
and they're worried about it they want
to know if I father a child
what are the chances are are the changes
that is going to be before we have birth
defects now we're going to turn our
spotlight on the atomic bomb testing
back after world war two perhaps the
most insidious was a deliberate testing
of an a-bomb in the
u.s. desert and using American soldiers
as guinea pigs with this documentary
which was made at that time very much
pro this activity will see now no-one
underestimates the fury of the power of
the elements of the war
life-like
the width of the hurricane they
onslaught of floodwaters
nor does anyone Scott but the power of
the atomic bomb like natural forces
rampaging it can create catastrophe and
deal and disaster as proven by peacetime
tests and as written in the tale of two
cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki this
capacity for wholesale destruction
arouse popular misgivings concerning its
range of usefulness
its strategic value for knocking out a
vital target for example was
unquestioned but again like some violent
natural disturbance wasn't it too hard
to control too liberal and its choice of
victims i managed to friend as well as
full what about those areas of
desolation where they so radioactive
that no one could pass through or occupy
even was it's calling card also a
quarantine side was it's very strength a
possible weakness was it too hot to
handle
despite evidence and reassuring answers
the suspicion in the mind of many a
fighting man was that maybe we had a
tiger by the tail
so knowing that the best way to convince
a man is to showing the authorities
planned exercise desert rock an army
maneuver yet containing many aspects of
a drop the time the morning of november
first 1951 the place yoga flat a
desolate stretch of Nevada waistband the
cast of characters military authorities
so maybe an atomic energy officials and
observers and the troops 1500 strong
big Chiefs Indians all playing
supporting roles to that
johnny-come-lately of our Arsenal an
atomic bomb and therein lay the morrow
of the play its lesson
it was this the atomic bomb is not only
a strategic but a tactical to which can
be effectively and safely used in direct
support of ground troops there for the
death brought troops had been told they
should regard it with respect and
confidence the confidence of fighting
man has in his weapons but he knows
there are tough on the target and easy
on himself
this they were told and this they would
soon find out through experience sure
this was a carefully controlled
experiment no one would get great not
back here seven miles from the place
where the bomb would go off the man had
the word of those who do through trial
and test computation and calculation but
anxiety intention can be neither
calculated not computed away
not when you're a few minutes from the
biggest noise you've ever heard the
mightiest show of power you've ever seen
not when you know that making its final
run is a plane that will shortly drop a
bomb bringing a giant act of violence to
a spot where for so many centuries
nothing much has ever had where change
it always been gradual measured over
geologic ages in yoga plat things we
began popping any minute now
put on goggles are faced away from the
target area looking at an atomic
explosion with the naked eye will cause
a temporary impairment vision like
looking at the Sun nothing serious but
enough to draw the curtain on the show
of shows no one wanted to miss 30
seconds final
bomb away
ok
thanks a lot about the soldiers gift of
gab is not the choice phrases covering
the situation but this did
and because they hadn't seen anything
like it they fumbled with the right
comments to fit the phenomenon it wasn't
easy
the usual adjectives were inadequate
conventional measuring sticks were
people there's nothing to compare an
atomic explosion to accept another
atomic explosion this shot nickname dog
was a typical aerial bombers detonated
between one and two thousand feet in the
air it's identifying marks were standard
first the light accompanying the burst
had lasted longer than the flash of an
ordinary explosion and now it rotates
signature in the sky the mushroom cloud
formation that is the autograph of the
atomic bomb dog was the type of nuclear
burst which is history and experiment
has shown delivers a deadly devastating
combination of blast heat and immediate
radiation it was so the troops had been
advised a bad weapon to have against you
a good one to have on your side
it left no radiological hazards for the
troops it supported its radioactive
cloud rose high and lifted harmlessly
away leaving the target area free from
contamination and safe to enter
and entering it was the next step on the
program for the truth from far-off they
have seen dog in action and heard its
part now they were going to inspect the
flight out of the men field you know
they want to see what their positions
look like the positions held the answers
the first one on the attendance area was
the battalion combat team area located
much closer to the burden of command and
control group including experts trained
and detecting and estimating radiation
dangers one on ahead
when the monitors reports were in the
troops got their owners
alright Sam managed to start
this was what the man has been waiting
for they have felt the blasted heat of
the explosion watch the cloud brush
upwards into the sky now they would see
at first hand what the effect of this
farm at this and all they moved off
toward the BCT area which was about two
miles from Ground Zero the point
directly under the bomb
what would they find their they had a
healthy curiosity because that was the
place which under actual battle
positions they would have been occupying
at the time of the blast to get the
answers it had been set up before the
first as a typical position with
standard field fortifications prepared
for punishment for vehicles in
placements and equipment of various
sorts they were gone
large and small somewhere above ground
and expose others were planted at
emplacements providing varying degrees
of protection
the man had dug foxholes they have
picked up film badges which register
radiation and attach them to their
weapons then they had withdrawn leaving
their proxies behind him it was a ghost
camp armed but one man abandoned
whatever might come
what did come the following morning when
dog was unleashed
well the customary compliments of a bomb
blast heat and nuclear radiation the
blast ripped attempt but it caused no
other damage he had scored some paint on
expose items while those underground and
escape the searing breadth of the bomb
film badges and other radioactive Isis
show that dogs immediate radiation
released within 90 seconds after the
explosion had been insignificant at this
distance from the first and there was no
residual radioactivity or contamination
the evidence proved that have the troops
occupy this BCT area they would have
been unaffected by the atomic detonation
and could have launched an attack
immediately afterward they he would have
burned the exposed skin of the men who
are above ground but it wouldn't have
harmed a hair on the wiser heads of
those properly sheltered the man moved
out of the area in simulated attack
toward Ground Zero Hollywood carrying
the rifles they were also carrying a
keen appreciation of the shelter the
foxhole and in placement when working
with an atomic bomb begins
get on the ground those were rules for
self protection from there from the
total desolation of bounds 0 the men
turned the way they could have gone to
it safely
although dogs blast heat radiation would
have brought simple death to all exposed
persons in the vicinity at the time of
the explosion the area was now harmless
monitors kept constant checked with a
radio instruments and found no hazards
in the form of radioactivity the troops
turned away because on this scenic
educational tour of your plants they had
two more places to inspect two more
prepared positions to demonstrate what
might have been
position one was slightly more than a
thousand yards from Ground Zero it had
taken a beating the blast every shovel
the elements in the picture the Heat had
changed its pigments the blasted push
this Jeep which weighs over a ton back
five feet and broken the windshield the
upholstery was charred the side of a
bulldozer had been damaged this happened
to an inaccurate baby bridge their store
footbridge erection case had taken a
25-foot ride sandbags were broken burned
and kicked around wires look like
Orioles nests they were severed and
tangled the blasts back to pole out
doing the most eager beavers he had
brushed the scene with sepia-tone
charring scorching burning from what
they saw in position one between a half
and three fourths of a mile from Ground
Zero the authorities figured that blast
driven missiles would have caused many
injuries to unsheltered personnel the
heat would have been more punishing for
those in the open it might have ended
the story suddenly in the middle of a
sentence one hundred percent casualties
from third degree and clothing Burns was
the estimate that was enough but it
wasn't all Phil matches planted in the
area recorded an average dosage from the
bombs prop radiation sufficient to have
made everybody sick and a great many
eventually would have died it was a
persuasive post-mortem on probabilities
but it covered only the calculated fate
of persons presumed to have been without
protection at all or inadequately shield
in vehicles and shallow skirmishers
stretches underground it was different
and the deeper and stronger the whole
the brighter the picture
true some top cover had been blown off
providing bold
but it was felt the occupants might have
escaped injury
otherwise no blast damage was evident
and soldiers utilizing their in
placements in foxholes the right way
would have been safe from dogs heat and
dangerous radiations they have been
equally secure in tanks convinced even
more than atomic power had not push the
familiar below ground in placement into
the background the troops went to
position to 500 yards farther away from
Ground Zero the above-ground punishment
meted out by dogs blast and heat gave
the troops plenty to think about
there didn't seem to be much doubt that
if you expose yourself to the front of
the bomb you stood a good chance of
being knocked into the hereafter you
stood a better chance of being burned to
death radiation well at this point it
wouldn't matter much you can only be so
dead the scenes about the surface
supplied the soldiers with food for
thought for concern
those belong gave them the solution
these parts holes and emplacements have
been able to take it and those who have
utilized properly they would have met
safety from all the bombs destructive
killing elements for the troops the
drama of exercised as it rock came to
its educational and a position to they
could come seen and been convinced they
had learned they could work safely with
the a-bomb the foxhole was still the key
to survival it protected against blast
gave line-of-sight healing from flash
heat and considerably reduce the effects
of radiation they would have been all
right by taking advantage of the
standard field placements and are beyond
a thousand yards from ground zero but
for exposed troops the damaged area was
about 12 times is great and they would
have been some kind of these out to
3,500 yard there would have been trouble
back as far as position three about a
Milan
from the worst not from radiations but
they're a canvas water tank caught fire
exposed items were burned enough to
suggest that to unshielded personnel
there would have been some severe burns
the blasted by no means been an easy
nudge so in the face of such evidence
which club to the soldier with the joint
the cautious all the carrots the quick
or the dead
the man had unlearned some things to now
they knew they could safely cross the
area under an aerial atomic explosion
shortly after it had occurred they had
just on it
the film badges they had worn during the
operation show that none of them had
received any significant dosage of
radiation there had been some
radioactivity but there's some every
place it was with the men in the radium
dial of their wrist watches so was the
dirt with us they all out some brooms
and gave us the brush-off before we left
position to for camp decontamination
they call it in case we had some
radioactive particles on us well we'd
found out we hadn't not enough to bother
so i figured the big idea was to put the
sand back on the desert so it could get
another flying start at us that was ok
with me i found a lot different about
the stuff on the way home and I did
earlier that day
it's got its point even if they sting a
little
very democratic dirt is doesn't pick on
anyone guy doesn't care about rank
covers both GIS and Generals
it protects them to after the party one
of the other men said that now he really
understood why they call it mother earth
because it the soldiers foster-mother
alright if he sticks close to her
horwitz that Jordan of you come across
any veterans who were involved in this
exercise us desert there with a bomb we
find their problems in dealing with the
VA and the government to be very similar
to ours and that it's generally denied
that there are any health effects and in
instances where they do assume that
there's health effects then they argue
as to whether or not it was caused that
many years ago and it's it's pretty much
typical and that you have a system
that's working on half the budget that
it had in 1970 certs we've got 85
thousand beds to treat over 21 million
veterans you have one bit for every
26,000 742 veterans is that after the
Carter custom about the Reagan that's
not counting cards at the equivalent of
20 hospitals that most Americans don't
realize is that we all have become the
most people in the united states have
become veterans of this chemical feast
that we've had the air that we breathe
the water the food the contaminants and
carcinogens in the food all these
additives and things that they put in
causing and we have a person with us now
Debbie Sharpe from the Church of
Scientology she's going to tell us about
the widespread use of us and advertently
as guinea pigs by the CIA and the
Defense Department and their test of
germ warfare you've been keeping track
of what the CIA in the Defense
Department have been doing for a long
time as far as using us as guinea pigs
for mind control and other types of
horrible things they have in mind for us
and the rest of the people in the world
what are some of them well i started out
basically with the CIA doing
experimentation on their own men to
discover if they can get rid of our
agents who were going to quit the
department and still had classifying
from
fashion so that utilize different types
of drugs and pain and hypnosis an
electric shock to trying two guys to
forget then we also did experimentations
to using different chemicals to see if
you can induce a person to commit alarm
or inducing to do better to do this
Chrissy I claim didn't carry it through
the documentation we got was actually
that they did that then we came across
the overall project called MKULTRA its
earlier codename was artichoke and that
included 249 sub-projects yeah those
sub-projects range from what I just
described to open their testing in the
United States experimentation on
prisoners experimentation on soldiers
experimentation on college students with
these people know they're being
experimented on and gave their approval
no except for the quote-unquote
volunteer voluntary army soldiers
oh yeah and the volunteer army program
worked as it started in nineteen
fifty-nine and the guys were just told
that they will be doing experimentation
on new weapons right then they get to
Fort Detrick Maryland where the
experimentation was done and find out
that they're going to be doing it on
drugs and chemicals but they were never
told what they would be experimented on
and they just knew that they went crazy
for a couple of days or support and so
on and then years later have similar
things to the guys who have had agent
orange because just one chemical that
was used called Beezie and it's a
hundred times stronger than Alice days
it's a very gross drug because a person
to totally go out of his head for at
least 12 hours sometimes up to three
weeks he doesn't even know where where
he is or who he is
other residual effects to be easy yes
the army at first said that they done
testing to discover it and they said
there weren't any residual tap in any
way
angel was at home sometimes they always
say that right and we did a campaign to
find the soldiers who had been
experimenting on with down approximately
40 in the u.s. all which have been
experiencing experiencing extreme
emotional and physical upset since that
time you know with children with birth
defects the same sort of thing is agent
orange about the army as part of the CIA
experimentations wanted to simulate
chemical biological warfare attacks and
to see what effect it would have on
different Americans how far we could go
in and and so forth but also test to see
how they can use it on other countries
the different kinds of things that they
did without the citizens permission
anytime on any of these tasks or even
knowing about it
no of course not you know what you know
they didn't say they were going to do a
test you know they experimented with the
use of mosquitoes where they just let
tons of mosquitoes government in South
Carolina and just to test how far the
mosquitoes would go because they have
the idea that maybe they use a
particular strain of mosquitoes and say
soviet russia then those guys on immune
to yellow fever because they don't have
your fever there then the Russia could
be infected with an epidemic of yellow
fever whether that our guys were tested
on it not the Russians were tested on we
were tested on what are the types of
things that they drown yeah they dropped
a particular bacterium comment i can't
pronounce it without those are but
whatever and it was used to I'm sure
that most people have heard of it in san
francisco where at least 10 people got
sick from it and one died in fact Edward
need even the third is suing the army
currently because of his father who died
from it now that chemical was also
utilized in florida and it's a bacteria
that causes a new menu type disease you
know respiratory problems and things
like that
so that was tested in san francisco and
in florida then they also used other
chemicals that they're not released what
they are
yes in New York the release did in
subways and tunnels and in turn Pike's
in 1965 in nineteen nineteen fifty-six
in 1966 into different tests then the
major thing that they use after that
with zinc cadmium sulfide which the army
spokesman have again said is harmless
that the only scientific studies that
we've come up with it says it is it
could be very harmful in fact the person
is exposed to is continuously he would
or could it could cause death but it
would definitely cause anyone with
respiratory problems to get educated to
degree that they would even get very
very sick or they can actually die
they've used texas and texas as guinea
pigs for a long time everything is
nothing cadmium sulfide now that was
done and what we've documented in at
least 15 different locations in the US
one of which was in balance in 1961 a
series of 34 different tests were been
off a TV tower but they blew it out to
very large area in the whole test went
from Dallas either way down to clean
texas which is why it's like 60 miles
Austin's been about one of these tests
right the other series of tasks that we
discovered with cadmium sulfide was and
the tail test area was described as from
Corpus Christi at the same Tony Austin
already Houston so we're at area and I
sprayed off jet bombers cadmium sulfide
but by following the coastline and then
it would blow in to the coast and then
they set up samplers to see the
concentration and how far we go in that
was done in 1965 in that area
a year later they did a similar type
test but this time the stimulant use was
23 times of glass beads and soluble
glass beads in court particles and we
inhaled these
yeah those wouldn't be as dangerous as
it came himself I've but I don't think
you want to bring these 23 times and
glass beads so again the thing is not
with these tests we are currently trying
to get Texas senators at least we've
given a submission to to senator Tower
and benson and people to ask them to
please put a ban on any chemical
biological warfare testing without
anyone's permission so what if the city
wants to you know be utilized as a
guinea pig when they have the ability to
decide whether they want it or not it's
just not okay for balance to get sprite
and everyone in this city get that
effect without there without their
permission and so we were trying
currently to get a ban on this
what about the certain types of testing
of strictly racial or ethnic nature
well we discovered that actually what
their faces as ethnic weapons now in the
united states we've been able to
document that Negro men were
experimenting on with LSD and other
hallucinogenics who were either mental
patients or prisoners and the attempt
with that is to discover how different
ethnic groups or races would not be as
immune to something is someone else like
as with soviet russia they don't have
yellow fever so those guys had built up
an immunity to yellow fever yet so if
you use a particular chemical in that
area then say Russians may not have that
immunity and not getting epidemic that's
real quick and then disable the country
immediately that reminds me back in the
old days the good old days when they are
me and all used to give the smallpox
infested infected blankets to the
Indians we haven't really changed much
except we've got a mass-produced basis
and have the ability to spread it
throughout the whole world their
irresponsibility with it is as what is a
terrible thing because the army
apparently felt like some of the guys
are good guys and they really probably
felt that we need to do chemical
biological warfare test to make sure we
don't get attacked
as I'm aware of what she came over and
did a chemical you know spray the
chemical in the United States what would
happen but who was responsible for
telling the army but that chemical was
safe
I mean that is never been in any of the
documentation who is responsible for
saying that easy which is an extremely
dangerous drug could be used on our
soldiers who said it was okay to use
Agent Orange and that it was harmless
you know those guys cannot be found
there not in the documentation you can
find out about the all the tests and
then of course you go to be honest
because the army conducted the test but
who in the army said was ok and that's
what i think is is the saying that must
be found out because those individuals i
think should be prosecuted
it was a criminal it was a criminal
thing and should have been done i want
to close alternative views tonight with
about three quotations want a very quick
one from Henry Kissinger who indicated
the Vietnam War was a mere footnote in
united states history
Richard Nixon said that Vietnam was
America's finest hour and the last quote
is one from a few decades ago
edward r murrow the great CBS newsman
documentary producer was interviewing
dr. Robert Oppenheimer who in very great
degree we could be considered the father
of the American atomic bomb but after
dr. Oppenheimer saw what he had done and
that hideous consequences
he begged the Pentagon and the United
States not to the river floor afraid the
use of the atomic bomb for this he was
denied his security clearance
he was assigned an FBI man who would
tell him and he was the subject of
McCarthyite smear campaigns at the end
of the interview the inner that mo had
with Oppenheimer he said dr. Oppenheimer
do you think it's possible that mankind
can destroy itself with the use of
atomic bombs and Oppenheimer said after
thinking no not quite not quite
but
it would take the greatest act of faith
to think that was left was human
goodnight
right now they're over 35,000 pesticides
loose on the environment most of which
have never been examined by the Food and
Drug Administration themselves and we
have over 500 new chemicals produced
every year on the market chemicals have
a long incubation period that is it may
have disastrous health consequences but
25 or 30 years down the road it's not
like biting on a cyanide capsule you
keep cat capsule you keel over
we're talking about the ingestion of
hazardous substances which have a
long-term cumulative health hazard
I'm suggesting that we need right now
and across-the-board moratorium on the
production of new chemicals i think that
a chemical essentially should be guilty
until it's proven
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