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Market Plus: Dan Huber - Duration: 16:00.

Pearson: This is the Friday, December 30, 2016

version of the Market Plus segment.

Joining us now is Dan Hueber.

Dan, welcome back.

Hueber: Thanks very much, great to be here.

Pearson: And we are excited to have you.

We've been talking quite a bit about what all is

happening in the ag sector and your view that you are

broadly commodity positive looking out into the

future.

Hueber: Correct, correct.

But, Mike, before we get started there, kind of

keeping with the spirit of the season, would you mind

if I related a little story?

Pearson: Please.

Hueber: Okay, very good.

In the last week I was looking at my Twitter feed

and of course I know you enjoy Twitter and like to

post, a great place for picking up news and what

not.

But there was this story that came across and

almost kind of a Dickenesque type of story,

Christmas Carol type of thing.

And, again, seemed fitting with the season but it was

heart wrenching, literally brought tears to my eyes.

And, again, kind of keeping with the Christmas

story but an ag version of it.

But the individual here is kind of like a Bob

Cratchit, barely enough coal to keep him warm, but

it turned out in the story I heard it was about this

individual who I guess for years and years and years

has been wishing, hoping, requesting a heated shop.

And Santa doesn't seem to deliver.

Again, it was just a crushing story.

It's particularly that time of year your heart

goes out to the guy.

And I started thinking, what can I do?

Is there something I could do to bring a little joy

into this man's heart?

Could it be like the ghost of Christmas future,

giving him an idea what could be potentially in

the future?

And I thought, I know what I can do.

I can bring him a gift to get this started.

So for this young man on Twitter I brought a

starter kit to get a heated shop for this next

year.

Pearson: This is a heated shop starter kit.

Can we share it with the viewers?

Hueber: Absolutely, yes.

Pearson: Alright, everybody, I have been

wanting a heated shop for years.

(laughter) Pearson: The starter kit.

Hueber: Just add match and you start that warmth.

I can feel the warm glow already.

Pearson: Yes, I could set that up and if I put it

near a piece of equipment it's almost like having a

heated shop.

Hueber: Absolutely, that tractor will kick over

much quicker next Christmas morning.

Pearson: This and a bag of charcoal under the tractor

and she'll start anytime.

Hueber: Absolutely, yes.

Pearson: Well thank you very much, Dan Hueber.

Hueber: I'm glad I could do a little something to

help out.

Pearson: Deeply appreciative.

This is a man who understands the holiday

spirit, giving and so on.

Thank you, sir.

I'll burn it with pride.

But we probably ought to talk markets as well

because I'm not going to get a heated shop unless

we get these feeder calves back up north of $250.

So I might be a couple of years away.

But you're broadly positive.

And we talked about on the show how that did kind of

roll over, at least long-term, to the

livestock markets.

Our first question here is from Dan in Prairie City.

He's looking out at the October live cattle

contract.

Should he be shorting the board here or buy an at

the money put for $5 a hundredweight or wait for

something else?

Hueber: Here again if he can lock in profitability

by buying that put I think that's probably the avenue

to work with at this point in time.

I do think, again, when you look at the advance

we've seen in cattle over the last two and a half

months basically at this point in time you should

reward that, there's no two ways about it.

And, again, none of us know exactly what's going

to happen next year.

If you can lock in profitability at this

point by all means go ahead and take care of

that.

That said, if it's a hedge don't necessarily remain

married to that ad even if you buy a put if it starts

moving back in your favor roll that put down, let

the market work to your advantage.

Yes when I look out into next spring, next summer I

can see particularly if some of the other pieces

fall into place like a weaker dollar, a little

boost in the export side of it -- Pearson: China

actually comes in and buys.

Hueber: China starts to be a little more active in

it, even something that hasn't really been

discussed, here you've got a little scare on the

Asian flu again, you're probably going to kill

quite a few chickens over in South Korea at least,

so all those things can add into kind of

redeveloping a little bit more demand out in the red

meat sector.

Pearson: Part of Dan's other question is futures

outright versus options, particularly in the

livestock sector.

Have we bled enough of the volatility out?

Do you have a preference one way or the other?

When we're looking out that far, last year it was

so frustrating for producers to try and hedge

in the futures when we get $3 swings twice a week.

Do you think we're done with that kind of crazy

volatility?

Hueber: I think the volatility is going to be

less than it was certainly in 2016.

Granted, when you look back at 2016 and the

cattle market it just looks like a long, drawn

out slide.

That said, we should have some more up and down

opportunities in there.

I am always a little bit reluctant to flat out just

buy options, particularly puts that far out because

one of the things that works against you in puts

is when markets go down you tend to lose

volatility so you're not only, it's kind of working

against you and that premium you paid up front.

So I tend to want to look at using some type of an

option spread, maybe I buy an at the money, but then

I would say alright, what kind of risk do we really

think we can accept on the downside and maybe you're

selling an out of the money put, or maybe you're

willing to cap it off on the upside at a higher

level, sell some out of the money calls to keep

that premium because you're going to give it

up.

We always say one of the guarantees of an option is

you're not going to lose anything more than your

premium, the other guarantee is you're

probably going to lose your premium.

So if you can mitigate that and still stay in the

realm of where you want to be price wise take

advantage of what's available out there.

Pearson: So looking at this cattle market, we've

put on $22 roughly, up here trading around $115,

$116, would you if you're going to sell a put on the

downside would you look to sell it $10 lower?

Hueber: Again, I would probably have to,

personally the way I look at it, I'll look at an

October chart, see what parameters have been

there.

If I can sell outside of the range all the better,

but if I can do it within retracement ranges I feel

comfortable with and to make sure the value is

there.

But with that much time if we're talking about

October of '17 there's going to be a fair amount

of premium there unless you're going deep, deep,

deep out of the money at that point.

Pearson: Our second question comes from Kenny

in Neligh, Nebraska.

Kenny is asking, is it worth the risk to wait and

see how the acreage battle shakes out in March to

price new crop corn?

Hueber: New crop corn I say so, yes.

I really think -- now soybeans, granted, I'm

jumping ahead maybe on another thought there, but

soybeans could be a different story.

We're already seeing numbers or thoughts that

we're going to see 3 to 4 million acres additional

soybeans, possibly that much less in the corn.

Granted, cotton could come into play there to maybe

mitigate that somewhat on the soybeans.

But yes, when I look at the picture of corn over

the last couple of years and I think we've got new

crop corn $3.80ish right now, $3.75, $3.80,

somewhere in that neck of the woods, we traded $4 to

$4.50 each over the last two years, just a spoof on

higher acreage than we're probably going to look at

last year.

So I would tend to think if I can't be to the point

where I'm coming close to locking in a $4 bushel I'm

not going to get overly anxious on selling new

crop corn.

Pearson: But you're going to be looking at the

futures locking in $4 a bushel probably knowing

that you're going to have some basis in addition.

Hueber: Correct.

Pearson: You talk to a lot of farmers, a lot of

producers, a lot of seed folks, do you think we're

going to hear, from the chatter you're hearing in

the countryside, are we going to get 3 or 4

million more acres of soybeans?

Hueber: Again, I don't discount it by any stretch

of the imagination.

I think a lot more people are attune today of really

adapting, adjusting their acres to the economics and

I think the economics are there.

And, again, what we of curse said with

individuals, if you are really thinking of moving,

shifting more acreage out there, and I think there's

a lot of people who want to get back to maybe a

little stronger rotation in some areas that have

been very corn heavy, if you're doing that I think

that's a slam dunk.

If you're doing it because economics say that I

should be planting soybeans because they are

$10.20 or wherever they're at, in that neck of the

woods, go ahead and sell them.

Don't put that at risk.

If you're going to make that change go ahead and

take advantage of that right now, lock in that

guarantee and you can play with the rest if you want

because then you're just back to point one.

But if you're expanding acreage take advantage and

lock in those values now.

Pearson: If the economics work right now, make sure

those are the economics you're going to be dealing

with when the combines roll.

Hueber: Right.

Pearson: Our next question is from Glen in Bryan,

Ohio.

It's a big picture question.

He's asking, in retrospect to 2016, which fundamental

news event is going to have the biggest impact on

marketing all commodities in 2017?

Is there anything out there that's going to

really drive this market?

Hueber: Of course comes to mind initially has got to

be weather, that's still going to be the million

dollar, billion dollar question I guess in

agriculture this year.

I think the numbers continue to stack up

against us a bit.

We've had really four great crops in a row.

That's, I don't want to say it's unprecedented,

but it's pretty close.

When you look at the severe, severe drought

that was suffered in the South and Southeast this

last year, and it's not really going away, there's

been some improvements here and there, and

according to some long-term weather people

that begins to move north and west the following

year, I think that could be the one that really

would take us over the edge.

We spoke initially in the program I think we tend to

overlook demand and we have record demand.

We have to produce record crops because we need that

at this point in time.

And it's still a very tight balance over, yes we

have more than we've had for the last couple of

years, but by historical standards is it

burdensome?

Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Pearson: But also by historical standards $3.50

is looking historically over the last 80 years of

crop prices we're still in the top 10%.

Hueber: And, again, I think you have to kind of

adjust that, not for inflation per se, but if

you look at -- one of my favorite charts I had

constructed 20 years ago is a 100 year chart of

corn, it goes back to 1899, really visually puts

in front of you the 30 year commodity cycle and

about every 30 years we have this demand driven

acceleration into new moves.

Of course the last one happened in 2012.

That was your final blow off peak.

But you always pull back and you find your new

range but you don't go back and truly revisit

where you had been previously.

And if you look, using corn again as an example,

1973 through 1999, 2000, $4, $2, back and forth,

back and forth.

If you go to the previous period it was $1.75 to $1.

We tend to expand by about 150% each time on average

which would tend to say right now that if you

really want to round it off$3 to $6, that is I

believe our new trading range on the corn.

So when you're at $3.50 you're certainly much

closer to the low side of that range than you are

the upper side.

And, granted, we have to prove that we're going to

see $6.

Bu here again I don't think it would take much

of a weather blip and we're visiting $6 corn

again.

Pearson: Alright.

Speaking of demand, part of that demand puzzle,

especially on the corn side, has been ethanol.

And on the bean side we've seen tremendous demand

from bean oil and a lot of that of course is going

into biodiesel.

President Trump, now our President-elect, he has

backed ethanol but now he has named Scott Pruitt

from Oklahoma to be the head of the EPA.

Luke in Nebraska wants to know, does Trump's EPA

pick, is that a real threat to the RFS?

Hueber: It is a point of caution certainly.

Again, ethanol, I think we have to go back to 2008

when we were having the food issues globally at

that point and food versus fuel became the topic, it

was the hot button issue in Washington and

everybody ran away from ethanol, no matter how

long they had supported it outside of the actual farm

state representatives.

I think we're beyond that period.

That's less of an issue now.

Quality of food, I should say nutrition, becomes a

bigger topic than quantity of food.

So I think you have people who are willing to embrace

that it is still a vibrant industry in this country,

it's one that continues to show growth, plus I think

here's another element I think that comes into play

particularly if we see the dollar exhaust this year

is the export side.

There is where you could really see growth in the

ethanol industry is if we can start moving those

exports out stronger than they are today.

Pearson: There's China and all these other developing

countries have massive problems with air quality,

ethanol might be a helper there.

Hueber: Probably one of our biggest disadvantages

of having question marks at the EPA and exactly how

strong they'll be on the blending standards is who

really, if there's still uncertainty are we going

to get backing in Washington?

Who is going to spend a lot of money investing in

new structures?

That's going to be the tough one to answer until

we see exactly how they start supporting or not

supporting.

Pearson: We'll have to wait until January 20th.

Before we let you go, Dan, our question that we like

every analyst to define terms we use a lot in the

ag media.

We've talked quite a bit about selling cash and

then reowning on paper.

Can you tell us what is a paper ownership?

What does that mean?

Hueber: Well, paper ownership could come in a

number of different ways.

Ultimately they are all derived from futures, a

futures contract or an options contract.

Recognize you can technically do this with a

cash contract as well.

But when we -- this is a more familiar term to a

lot of individuals, but a basis contract.

A basis contract is really nothing more than giving

the ownership of your grain to somebody else,

you're fixing the basis, so you sold the basis, but

you are still long the paper value.

So, granted, when you do a basis contract normally

the cash grain facility will front you 70%, 80% of

the value of the contract at delivery.

Of course if you as an individual want to take

the total responsibility you would physically sell

your cash grain, you've sold your basis, you've

sold your spreads, you name it and you buy

futures or you buy options.

Of course you get 100% of your money at this point,

but you still have the right to enjoy ownership

or profit from the upside.

The caveat in all this is to really make this

effective you need to understand basis and you

need to understand spreads because you could be

selling away a lot of profitability.

There's some times of the year you ought to do this,

some times you don't.

Pearson: Dan Hueber, thank you so much for joining

us.

Hueber: My pleasure to be here.

Pearson: Join us again next week when Ted

Seifried joins me at the Market to Market table.

And watch the broadcast portion of our show where

we'll sort out the complicated world of the

nation's visa program for seasonal ag workers.

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So until then, thanks for watching or listening.

I'm Mike Pearson.

Happy Holidays and have a great week!

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