(SINGING) I KNOW MY GOD HAS MADE THE WAY FOR ME. I KNOW MY GOD
HAS MADE THE WAY FOR ME. ANNOUNCER: EXPRESSIONS OF LOVE
THAT COME FROM THE WORLD ARE CONDITIONAL. JOIN KENNETH
COPELAND AND BILL WINSTON TODAY AS THEY REVEAL THE
AGAPE LOVE OF GOD, WHICH HAS NO LIMITS AND IS
UNCONDITIONAL, NEXT, ON THE BELIEVER'S VOICE OF VICTORY.
KENNETH: FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS BROADCAST
TODAY. BILL WINSTON: THANK YOU, LORD. KENNETH: WE OPEN OUR
HEARTS AND MINDS TO YOU, SIR. AND SITTING AT YOUR FEET, LORD
JESUS, IS SUCH A WONDERFUL PLACE. BILL: PHEW. KENNETH: WE
SEE OURSELVES THERE, RECEIVING REVELATION FROM HEAVEN,
RECEIVING HEALING, RECEIVING FINANCIAL BLESSING, RECEIVING
OUR FAMILIES HEALED AND--AND BROUGHT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN OUT
OF STRIFE AND TURMOIL. BILL: MM. KENNETH: AND WE PRAISE YOU FOR
IT, SIR. IN JESUS' NAME. BILL: IN JESUS' NAME. KENNETH: AMEN.
BILL: WHEW. KENNETH: BROTHER BILL, GET US BACK IN HERE QUICK.
GLORY TO GOD. BILL: ALL RIGHT. NOW, IN I JOHN 2, IF WE COULD
START THERE--AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LOVE OF GOD.
SO THE LOVE OF GOD THAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED HERE IN THIS PROGRAM
IS AGAPE. AGAPE LOVE IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THIS IS
LOVE THAT'S NOT BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR ME. IT'S--IT'S
UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. NOW, THIS IS A LOVE THAT, WHEN GOD SAYS,
"HUSBANDS, LOVE YOUR WIVES," THAT'S AGAPE. THAT'S--THAT'S--
KENNETH: YEAH. BILL: --UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. SO
THIS--THIS KIND OF LOVE IS ALL THE WAY, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE
NEW TESTAMENT. NOW, AS WE LOOK AT THIS, HE'S SAYING HERE, IN
THIS PARTICULAR SCRIPTURE, "DON'T LOVE THE WORLD." SO WE
NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT MEANS AND HOW DOES THAT WORK INTO OUR
LIVES. NOW, HE'S THE KEY: GOD IS ASSIGNING US SOMEWHERE IN THIS
WORLD. IN OTHER WORDS, WE ARE HERE, AND WE'RE HERE TO BRING
HIS--HIS GOOD NEWS, BE SALT OF THE EARTH. WE'RE HERE TO BRING
KINGDOM PRINCIPLES-- KENNETH: YEAH. BILL: --INTO PLACES THAT
WE GO. WE'RE HERE TO TAKE THE GARDEN OF EDEN, THAT--START UP,
PICK UP WHERE ADAM LEFT OFF. WE'RE--WE'RE HERE FOR HIS
PURPOSE. NOW, WITH THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THAT WORLD, YOU'RE NOT
OF THAT WORLD. SO DON'T--DON'T LOVE THE WORLD IN A WAY THAT
WOULD CAUSE YOU TO LEAVE THE LOVE OF GOD FOR ANYTHING OF THE
WORLD, INCLUDING SELFISH AMBITION. KENNETH: MM-HMM. BILL:
ARE YOU FOLLOWING WHAT I'M SAYING? KENNETH: MM-HMM. YES,
SIR. BILL: SO LET'S JUST READ THIS AND THEN SEE WHAT IT SAYS.
I JOHN 2:15, "LOVE NOT THE WORLD, NEITHER THE THINGS THAT
ARE IN THE WORLD. IF ANY MAN LOVE THE WORLD, THE LOVE OF THE
FATHER IS NOT IN HIM. AND ALL THAT IS IN THE WORLD, THE LUST
OF THE FLESH, AND THE LUST OF THE EYES, AND THE PRIDE OF LIFE,
IS NOT OF THE FATHER, BUT IS OF THE WORLD." NOW, ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT WE DISCOVERED ABOUT AGAPE, AGAPE EXPRESSES ITSELF IN
OBEDIENCE. KENNETH: YES, SIR. YEAH, JOHN 14:21. BILL: THAT'S
CORRECT. SO A LOT OF TIMES, WE'RE TRYING TO FEEL THE LOVE,
YOU KNOW? AND--AND FEELING MAY--MAY COME, BUT IT'S--IT'S
COMING AFTER YOUR OBEDIENCE. IT'S-- KENNETH: AND IT'S NOT A
MEASURE--IT'S NOT A MEASURING STICK. IT'S NOT--IT'S NOT A
MEASURING TOOL. FEELINGS DON'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
ANYTHING. BILL: THIS MAN TOLD A STORY. HE CAME TO THE CHURCH. HE
WAS KIND OF A--A CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN, IF YOU WILL. BUT HE
CAME TO CHURCH. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, TWO PEOPLE WENT OUT FOR A
PICNIC. AND THEY GOT OUT THERE. AND THESE ARE TWO YOUNG PEOPLE
THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SEEING EACH OTHER, AND--AND
THEY'RE GOING OUT. THEY WANTED TO GO OUT FOR A PICNIC, GET TO
KNOW EACH OTHER BETTER. AND THEY WENT OUT THERE, AND THEY HAD
THIS BIG PICNIC BASKET. AND HE OPENED IT, AND HE WAS SEARCHING
AROUND IN THERE. HE SAID, "WHERE IS THE LOVE?" SHE SAID, "I
THOUGHT YOU BROUGHT IT." HE SAID, "NO, I--I DIDN'T BRING IT.
I THOUGHT YOU BROUGHT IT." KENNETH: (LAUGHS) BILL: HE SAID,
"THIS IS A CASE WHERE YOU'VE GOT TWO TICKS AND NO DOG." KENNETH:
(LAUGHS) BILL: AND SO HE SAID, "OKAY." KENNETH: OH, BILL. BILL:
BUT SEE HOW PEOPLE TRY TO FEED OFF EACH OTHER-- KENNETH: YEAH.
BILL: --SEE. KENNETH: GOT A COUPLE OF FLEAS, AIN'T GOT ANY
DOG. (LAUGHS) BILL: BUT--BUT--WHERE IS THE LOVE?
KENNETH: BILL, THAT IS SO TRUE. BILL: OH, YEAH. KENNETH: LISTEN.
BILL: OH, YEAH. KENNETH: PEOPLE, LIVING THAT KIND OF LIFE-- BILL:
MM-HMM. KENNETH: --CREATE HELL ON EARTH. BILL: MY GOODNESS.
KENNETH: "LORD, HELP ME FIND A HUSBAND--" BILL: YEAH. KENNETH:
"--PLEASE." BILL: YEP, YEAH. KENNETH: "MY BABY NEEDS A DADDY.
AND--AND YOU KNOW, FIND ME ONE WITH SOME MONEY, BECAUSE I'M SO
BROKE, AND I'M SO HURT." BILL: CAN FEED OFF OF HIM. KENNETH:
BOY, SHE IS WIDE OPEN FOR A--A BAD DEAL HERE. BILL: MM, MM, MM.
KENNETH: AND YOU'VE GOT SOME LITTLE BOY OUT THERE SAYING,
"LORD, I NEED A WOMAN. I NEED ONE FAST HERE." HE'S--HE'S IN
BAD SHAPE BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING TOGETHER FOR ALL THE WRONG
REASONS. BILL: THERE YOU GO. KENNETH: JESUS HAS THE POWER,
THE WILL. AND THE WORD WILL SUPPLY IT-- BILL: YES. KENNETH:
--WILL SUPPLY EVERY NEED THAT WOMAN HAS. BILL: MM. KENNETH:
HE'LL BE A FATHER TO THAT BABY. BILL: YES. KENNETH: HE'LL BE A
HUSBAND TO HER. BILL: YES. KENNETH: THE--THE--AND--AND
JESUS WILL SATISFY THAT MAN'S PHYSICAL NEEDS, HIS MENTAL
NEEDS, HIS SPIRITUAL NEEDS THAT HE NEEDS FOR A WIFE. WHEN THEY
BOTH GET SATISFIED, AND THEN GOD IS DIRECTING THEM-- BILL: THERE
IT IS. KENNETH: --AND GOD SAYS, "SWEETHEART, THERE'S YOUR
HUSBAND RIGHT THERE. NOW, THAT'S--" BILL: NOW-- KENNETH:
"--THE ONE I WANT YOU TO HAVE." BILL: THAT'S THE DEAL. KENNETH:
THAT'S WHEN YOU COME TOGETHER. AND--AND LIKE GLORIA AND ME,
LIVE FOR 53 YEARS. AND JUST--IT JUST GETS BETTER ALL THE TIME.
BILL: ALL THE TIME. THAT'S RIGHT. AND WHO IS THAT THAT
WROTE THE BOOK, "HOW MANY FROGS DID YOU HAVE TO KISS TO GET A
PRINCE?" OR SOMETHING-- KENNETH: MY GRANDDAUGHTER. I MEAN--
(LAUGHS) BILL: WELL, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING, SEE? SEE,
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR LOVE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES. KENNETH: YEAH,
YEAH. IT STARTS WITH GOD. NOW, IT-- BILL: IT STARTS WITH GOD.
KENNETH: --DOESN'T START ANYWHERE ELSE. BILL: YEAH. YEAH.
KENNETH: HUMAN LOVE IS BANKRUPT TO START WITH, BILL. BILL: IT IS
BANKRUPT, I'M TELLING YOU. IT--IT--AND PEOPLE WILL LOVE YOU
FOR SO--SO FAR. YOU KNOW, I'M TELLING YOU, NOW, THAT YOU GO
TOO FAR AND THAT LOVE IS GOING TO TURN TO SOMETHING ELSE, YOU
KNOW. KENNETH: YEAH. BILL: IT'S JUST--SO THE AGAPE LOVE OF GOD
IS UNCONDITIONAL. AND--AND WE HAVE IT INSIDE. KENNETH:
I'M--THE--OH, THANK YOU, LORD. BILL: MM. KENNETH: UNCONDITIONAL
LOVE DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN, NOT EVEN WITH GOD. BILL: MM-HMM.
KENNETH: UNCONDITIONAL LOVE BEGINS WITH A COVENANT-SWORN
OATH. BILL: MM. THAT'S TRUE, ISN'T IT? YEAH. KENNETH: "I
SWEAR," SAID GOD. BILL: MM-HMM. KENNETH: "I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU
NOR FORSAKE YOU EVEN TO THE END--" BILL: MY GOODNESS.
KENNETH: "--OF THE WORLD." NOW, THAT MEANS I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU
DO. BILL: MM. KENNETH: THIS WASN'T AN ACT OF FEELING. THIS
IS A COMMITMENT, BLOOD-SWORN OATH. THIS WAS SWORN IN THE
BLOOD OF JESUS, BROTHER. HE ORIGINALLY SWORE THAT IN THE--IN
THE BLOOD OF SACRIFICIAL ANIMALS, UNTIL JESUS CAME. AND
ALL THAT CAME TRUE, BROTHER. BILL: WHEW. KENNETH: AND
IT'S--IT'S FOREVER. YOU CAN'T BREAK IT. BILL: MM. KENNETH:
SEE, BILL, THE COVENANT IS BETWEEN GOD THE FATHER AND THE
LORD JESUS CHRIST. AND WHAT HE SWORE TO HIM RAISED HIM FROM THE
DEAD. BILL: IT DID. KENNETH: YOU SEE IT IN THE FIRST CHAPTER OF
THE BOOK-- BILL: YEAH. KENNETH: --OF HEBREWS. BILL: YEAH, YEAH.
KENNETH: AND HE SPOKE TO HIM, AND CALLED HIM GOD, AND RAISED
HIM UP FROM THE DEAD. NOW, THAT'S THE NEW COVENANT. BILL:
OKAY. YEAH. KENNETH: EVERY WORD OF THIS, FROM MATTHEW, MARK,
LUKE, AND JOHN, ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BOOK OF REVELATION,
AND ALL OF THE BLESSING OF THE OLD COVENANT WAS SWORN BY GOD TO
JESUS AS HE PRESENTED HIMSELF SPOTLESS AFTER HE HAD BEEN
RAISED UP FROM HELL. AND THERE HE STANDS IN THE MOST RIGHTEOUS
PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE. AND GOD SWORE THIS OATH TO HIM. NOW,
THAT CAN'T BE BROKEN. IT'S AN OATH BETWEEN AN ALMIGHTY, HOLY
GOD AND AN IMMORTAL MAN THAT CAN NO LONGER BE TOUCHED WITH DEATH.
NOW, WE ACCEPT JESUS AS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR. WE COME IN UNDER
THAT COVENANT HE HAS WITH THE FATHER. BILL: FATHER. KENNETH: I
AM LOOKED UPON WITH THE SAME LOVE AS JESUS. JESUS PRAYED THAT
IN JOHN 17. BILL: HE LOVES YOU JUST AS MUCH-- KENNETH: YEAH.
JOHN 17:23, HE SAID, "SHOW THEM, FATHER, YOU LOVED THEM, AS MUCH
AS YOU DO ME." AND NOW, CAN WE BREAK THE COVENANT? NO. BILL:
HMM-MM. KENNETH: THE COVENANT IS UNBREAKABLE. WE CAN BREAK
FELLOWSHIP WITH IT. BILL: YOU'VE GOT IT. YEP. KENNETH: AND WHEN
WE DO, GOD DON'T QUIT LOVING YOU. BILL: MM. KENNETH: HE
CAN'T, BILL. HE SWORE IN BLOOD HE'D LOVE ME FOREVER. BILL: HE
SAID, "IF YOU CONFESS YOUR SINS ANYWHERE, I'M FAITHFUL AND JUST
TO FORGIVE YOU." KENNETH: TO FORGIVE THEM AND CLEANSE YOU
FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. WHAT'S LEFT IF HE CLEANSED YOU FROM ALL
UNRIGHTEOUSNESS? BILL: IT'S-- TOGETHER: --RIGHTEOUSNESS. BILL:
I'M TELLING YOU. KENNETH: AND SO YOU--YOU--YOU WANT TO STAY IN
THERE. YOU WANT--YOU--YOU DON'T WANT TO BE--BE STEPPING OUT AND
VIOLATING THE LAW OF LOVE. YOU--AND NO. NO, NO, NO, NO. YOU
WANT TO--YOU WANT TO STAY RIGHT IN THERE. THE--IF YOU SHOOT YOUR
MOUTH OFF AT SOMEBODY, STOP RIGHT THERE AND SAY, "HEY, BABY,
I--I APOLOGIZE. I--FATHER, I REPENT OF THAT. THAT--THAT'S NOT
IN LOVE. I REPENT OF IT RIGHT NOW." DON'T--DON'T WAIT THREE
DAYS. DO IT--DON'T WAIT THREE MORE SECONDS. JUST STAY IN THAT
LOVE WALK ALL THE TIME. YOU GOT YOUR SHIELD UP. YOU'VE GOT YOUR
ARMOR ON. DON'T MESS IT UP. BILL: STAY RIGHT THERE. KENNETH:
STAY RIGHT THERE ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE THAT COVENANT BETWEEN
GOD THE FATHER-- BILL: SEE. KENNETH: --AND THE LORD JESUS
CHRIST, OH, MAN. BILL: JUST STAY ON THAT LINE. KENNETH: OH, STAY
ON THAT LINE. BILL: EVERYTHING WILL COME. KENNETH: THAT'S WHERE
HEALING IS. BILL: EVERYTHING IS RIGHT THERE. KENNETH: IT'S IN
THAT LINE. EVERYTHING IS IN THERE. I'M THINKING ABOUT A
WOMAN THAT HAD A CHILD. AND THIS CHILD HAD--IF I REMEMBER RIGHT,
I--I BELIEVE IT WAS SEIZURES, I THINK, IS WHAT IT WAS. BILL:
MM-HMM. KENNETH: ANYWAY, THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT
BABY. AND SHE WAS TALKING TO BROTHER HAGIN ABOUT IT. AND SHE
SAID, "AFTER WHAT I HEARD YOU PREACH, I CAN SEE WHERE THE
PROBLEM IS." SHE SAID, "I HATE MY MOTHER-IN-LAW." AND HE SAID,
"NOW, YOU'RE BORN AGAIN." "OH YEAH." "AND--AND FILLED WITH THE
HOLY GHOST." "OH, OH, YEAH, YEAH." "AND YOU'RE TELLING ME
YOU HATE YOUR MOTHER-IN-LAW." "YEAH. I HATE HER." HE SAID,
"NOW, WAIT A MINUTE. LOOK ME RIGHT IN THE FACE AND TELL ME
YOU HATE YOUR MOTHER-IN-LAW." WELL, SHE DID. HE SAID, "NOW, I
WANT TO ASK YOU SOMETHING. WHEN--WHEN YOU SAY THAT, IS
THERE SOMETHING KIND OF SCRATCHING YOU RIGHT--" "WELL,
YEAH." HE SAID, "YOU DON'T HATE YOUR MOTHER-IN-LAW." HE SAID,
"THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF GOD TRYING TO GET YOU TO REPENT." BILL: MM,
MM. KENNETH: "REPENT OF THAT. REPENT OF IT RIGHT NOW. YOU
DON'T HATE HER." BILL: MM. KENNETH: "YOU DO NOT HATE HER.
YOU LOVE HER BECAUSE THE LOVE OF GOD IS ON THE INSIDE OF YOU, AND
GOD HAS COMMANDED YOU TO LOVE. NOW, OBEY THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD
AND STOP THAT." HE SAID, "NOW, YOU REPENT." SO SHE DID. BILL:
GOT YOU. MM. KENNETH: HE SAID, "NOW, THE NEXT TIME THE DEVIL
TRIES TO MANIFEST HIMSELF THROUGH YOUR BABY, YOU SAY, 'NO,
SIR. YOU TAKE YOUR HANDS OFF OF MY BABY. I HAVE I JOHN 5:18. I
WALK IN LOVE. I KEEP THE COMMANDMENT OF LOVE, AND YOU
CAN'T TOUCH MY BABY. MY BABY IS OFF-LIMITS TO YOU. YOU CAN'T
TOUCH US. WE'RE OFF-LIMITS TO YOU. YOU'RE TRESPASSING ON HOLY
PROPERTY.'" BILL: SO YOU'RE--YOU'RE RESISTING THE
DEVIL. AND HE'S GOT TO FLEE BECAUSE YOU'RE DRAWING NIGH OF
GOD'S WORD. YOU'RE WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO WHAT THAT WORD SAYS
NOW. KENNETH: AND YOU HAVE INVOKED THE ROYAL LAW. BILL: MM.
OH, YES. KENNETH: OH, GLORY TO GOD. BILL: (LAUGHS)
NOW--NOW--NOW LOOK AT HEBREWS 12:14. HEBREWS 12:14. KENNETH:
THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU STARTED TO SAY THERE A MINUTE
AGO. AND--AND--AND WE GOT SIDETRACKED. AND LOVING THINGS.
BILL: YEAH. KENNETH: WE NEED A HIGHER CONCEPT OF LOVE. BILL:
OKAY. KENNETH: WHEN WE SAY THE WORD "LOVE," IT OUGHT TO
REPRESENT GOD. BILL: YES, INDEED. MM-HMM. KENNETH: "WELL,
YOU KNOW, I JUST--I--" BILL: "--LOVE MY CAR." KENNETH: "I
JUST LOVE PEARS." BILL: MM-HMM. KENNETH: "I LOVE MY CAR." NO,
NO, YOU CAN'T LOVE A CAR. THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT.
BILL: YEAH. KENNETH: YOU DON'T LOVE THINGS. BILL: UH. KENNETH:
"WELL, I KNOW, BROTHER COPELAND." WELL, WE'RE IN
TRAINING HERE. WE'RE NOT BEING PICKY. WE'RE TRAINING. BILL:
YEAH. KENNETH: WE'RE--WE'RE DEVELOPING A CONCEPT THAT GOD
DOESN'T HAVE LOVE. HE IS LOVE AND HE'S IN ME. BILL: GOT YOU.
KENNETH: AND HE IS, AND THE--THAT LOVE HAS BEEN SHED
ABROAD IN MY HEART BY THE HOLY GHOST. AND I NEED TO BE
PRACTICING. THAT'S WHAT PERFECTS THAT LOVE AND FLUSHES OUT FEAR.
NOW, WHAT IS THERE ABOUT MY CAR? "WELL, BROTHER COPELAND, GOD
GAVE ME THAT CAR." THAT'S GOOD. "WELL, I LOVE MY CAR. I LOVE
GOD." NO, NO, NO, NO, BABY. THE--IN I TIMOTHY 6:17, "HE
GIVES US RICHLY--" BILL: OH. TOGETHER: "--ALL THINGS TO
ENJOY." KENNETH: HE GAVE ME--I--I HAPPEN TO LIKE PEARS. I
LIKE THESE THINGS. I DON'T LOVE THEM. I USED TO SAY THAT, "BOY,
I LOVE PEARS. DON'T YOU LOVE THAT BANANA PUDDING MAMA MAKES?"
WELL, I BEGAN TO TRAIN IN THAT AREA AND USE PROPER WORDS. I
BEGAN TO SAY, "YOU KNOW, I REALLY ENJOY PEARS, MAN. GOD
GAVE US THAT TO ENJOY." "I DO ENJOY MY NEW CAR." NOW, SEE,
THAT-- BILL: SEE-- KENNETH: --PRAISES GOD. BILL: AND IT'S
HIS WORD, TOO. KENNETH: IT'S HIS WORD. I--I HAVE TO SAY THIS.
I'VE DONE THE SAME THING WHERE PRIDE IS CONCERNED. BILL: MM.
KENNETH: AND YOU GET A LITTLE STICKY WITH THIS BECAUSE PEOPLE
REALLY LIKE TO USE THAT WORD. BILL: YEAH. KENNETH: BUT GOD DID
NOT SAY, "THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, AND I SURE AM PROUD OF
HIM." BILL: (LAUGHS) KENNETH: NO, GOD HATES PRIDE. BILL: HE
SURE DOES. (LAUGHS) THE DEVIL-- KENNETH: WHAT DID HE SAY? BILL:
HE SAID-- KENNETH: "I'M WELL-PLEASED." BILL:
WELL-PLEASED. SO YOU NEED TO LINE YOUR SPEECH-- KENNETH: LINE
YOUR SPEECH UP. BILL: THAT'S PART OF YOUR OBEDIENCE. KENNETH:
YEAH. BILL: SEE, IT'S--IT'S--IT'S-- KENNETH: AND
IT'S SO STRONG. YOU BRING--YOU--MY LITTLE GRANDSON,
I WENT TO SEE HIM PLAY FOOTBALL THE OTHER NIGHT. BILL: YEAH.
KENNETH: THE KID'S A GOOD BALLPLAYER. BILL: GOOD. KENNETH:
WELL, YOU HAVE A TENDENCY TO SAY, "BOY, I'M SO PROUD OF YOU."
BILL: YEAH. KENNETH: BUT I HATE THAT WORD. BILL: YEAH. YOU CAN'T
BE-- KENNETH: I KNOW WHAT GOD--I KNOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING-- BILL:
FIND ANOTHER WORD. KENNETH: --AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BILL:
YEAH. KENNETH: AND--AND--AND--AND I'M--BUT I'M
TRAINING. I'M RENEWING MY MIND. BILL: YOU REALLY DO. KENNETH:
I'M TRAINING. AND IT DOESN'T HURT HIM TO HEAR ME SAY THAT. I
SAID, "BOY, YOU SURE WELL-PLEASED YOUR PAPAW."
I--NOW, THAT SAYS SOMETHING, BILL. BILL: NOW--NOW, BROTHER
COPELAND, YOU KNOW, IN THIS, JOB SAID--OVER IN JOB 6. THIS IS
AFTER THE DEVIL HAD COME IN AND JUST RUINED HIS LIFE. HE SAID,
"LORD, TEACH ME, AND I'LL HOLD MY TONGUE--" KENNETH: HE
DIDN'T-- BILL: "--AND LET ME KNOW WHERE I ERRED." YOU SEE,
I--JUST--YOU'RE NOT NITPICKING. YOU'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE IN A
PLACE WHERE, AT NO TIME, THE DEVIL WOULD USE SOMETHING THAT
THEY'RE NOT AWARE THAT THEY'RE AWARE THAT THEY'RE SAYING--
KENNETH: THAT'S RIGHT. BILL: --TO GET IN ON THEIR LIFE.
KENNETH: NOW, YOU AND I LEARNED THIS. BILL: MY GOODNESS.
KENNETH: WE'RE--WE'RE BLESSED THAT-- BILL: SHWEW. KENNETH:
--THAT WE WERE TAUGHT AND TRAINED-- BILL: YEP. KENNETH:
--AS SERIOUS PILOTS. BILL: YEP. KENNETH: AND YOU WERE TAUGHT AND
TRAINED AS--AS A FIGHTER PILOT AND FLEW A LOT OF COMBAT
MISSIONS. BILL: YEAH. KENNETH: THREE OR FOUR, FIVE DEGREES WILL
GET YOU KILLED. BILL: SHWEW. KENNETH: WELL-- BILL: I'M
TELLING YOU. KENNETH: "I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU NITPICKING OVER
THREE DEGREES FOR? I MEAN, YOU--YOU SAID 357. I'M FLYING
360." I'M LIKE, "COME ON. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?" ARE YOU KIDDING
ME? BILL: IT GETS YOU WIPED OUT. KENNETH: YOU KNOW WHAT MY
INSTRUCTOR USED TO TELL ME? BILL: WHAT? KENNETH: OH, HE'D
GET, "KENNETH, I SAID 365, NOT 364. A MONKEY CAN BE CLOSE."
(LAUGHS) HE'S CALLING ME A MONKEY IS WHAT HE'S CALLING ME.
AND I CAN STILL HEAR THAT IN MY--IN MY--I CAN STILL HEAR IT
IN MY EARS, "A MONKEY CAN BE CLOSE." BILL: YEAH. KENNETH: I
DON'T WANT TO BE CLOSE. I WANT TO BE JUST AS MUCH LIKE JESUS AS
I CAN POSSIBLY GET THERE. BILL: I'M--I'M COMING DOWN, FINAL
APPROACH--BECAUSE EVERY YEAR, YOU HAVE TO TAKE AN INSTRUMENT,
YOU KNOW, RECHECK. AND SO--FOR IN FIGHTERS. I'M COMING DOWN ON
FINAL APPROACH. HE GETS INSIDE. HE SAID, "WELL, OKAY. CHECK WAS
FINE. NOW, I--YOU'RE--YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HOLD SUCH AND SUCH.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HOLD 189, AND YOU HAD ABOUT 175. YOU HAD--AND
THEN YOU WENT UP TO 182. THEN YOU WENT TO--YOU NEVER DID GET
TO 189." AND HE SAID--I SAID, "WELL, I GOT TO 186." HE SAID,
"NO, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GET TO 189." THIS IS--IT'S THREE--YOU
KNOW, I'M SAYING, "OKAY." NOW, YOU SEE-- KENNETH: THAT
NITPICKING-- BILL: (LAUGHS) KENNETH: HE WASN'T NITPICKING.
HE WAS TRYING TO KEEP YOU FROM KILLING YOURSELF. BILL: YEAH.
I'M TELLING YOU, JOB-- KENNETH: HE'S TRAINING YOU. BILL: --WAS
SAYING SOME THINGS-- KENNETH: TRAINING YOU. BILL: --THAT HE
DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS SAYING. BUT IT ALLOWED THE ENEMY TO GET IN
ON HIS LIFE. KENNETH: YES, IT DID. YES, IT DID. BILL: AND IT
LIKED TO TOOK HIM OUT OF HERE. KENNETH: IT SURE DID. BILL: SO
IT'S-- KENNETH: BUT BECAUSE HE LISTENED TO GOD-- BILL: YEP.
KENNETH: --AND HE FINALLY REPENTED-- BILL: HE SURE DID.
KENNETH: --AND HE GOT HIS MOUTH STRAIGHT-- BILL: STRAIGHT.
KENNETH: --GOD REPLACED THAT OLD MAN WITH EVERYTHING-- BILL:
EVERYTHING TWICE-FOLD. KENNETH: --TWICE. LIVED A LONG TIME.
BILL: I'M TELLING YOU. KENNETH: HAD A BETTER LIFE THAN HE EVER
HAD BEFORE. BILL: YEAH. SO IF YOU MESS UP, FESS UP. AND LET'S
GET GOING HERE. GET UP. LET'S GO. KENNETH: YES, SIR. BILL: SO
LET'S LOOK AT HEBREWS--HEBREWS 12. NOW, LOOK AT THIS. HE SAID,
IN VERSE 14, "FOLLOW AFTER--AFTER PEACE--FOLLOW PEACE
WITH ALL MEN--" YEAH "--WITH ALL MEN, AND HOLINESS, WITHOUT WHICH
NO MAN SHALL SEE THE LORD: LOOKING DILIGENTLY LEST ANY MAN
FAIL OF THE GRACE OF GOD; LEST ANY ROOT OF BITTERNESS SPRINGING
UP TROUBLE YOU, AND THEREBY MANY BE DEFILED." NOW, IF YOU
LOOK--LET'S JUST GO TO LUKE 17:1. LUKE 17:1, AND HE SAYS
THIS. AND--OH, I GOT THE WRONG PLACE. "THEN SAID HE UNTO HIS
DISCIPLES, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE BUT THAT OFFENSES WILL COME--"
KENNETH: THEY'RE COMING. THEY ARE COMING. BILL: BROTHER
COPELAND, HE JUST SAID THIS. HE--JESUS SAID THIS. KENNETH:
YEAH. BILL: SO IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. SO OPPORTUNITY FOR A BELIEVER TO
BE OFFENDED, IF THEY'RE MOVING INTO THIS--THIS--THIS WHOLE
PLACE WHERE GOD HAS CALLED THEM, IT--IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU'RE
GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. KENNETH: WELL, HE PREACHED THAT.
HE SAID, "THE SOWER SOWS THE WORD. SATAN'S COMING." BILL:
AND--AND PERSECUTION ARISES FOR THE WORD'S SAKE, BECAUSE YOU'VE
GOT THE WORD. THAT'S WHY THEY--ONE REASON THEY'RE
PERSECUTING YOU. YOU'VE GOT THE WORD IN YOU. KENNETH: THINK
ABOUT THE TIME THE RELIGIOUS LIES THAT HAD BEEN PREACHED
AROUND PERSECUTION. "WELL, GOD'S TRYING TO TEACH YOU SOMETHING.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS LIFE YOU LIVED BEFORE YOU
GOT SAVED. YOU'RE STILL HAVING TO DEAL--" THAT'S JUST A BUNCH
OF LIES, MAN. BILL: BROTHER COPELAND-- KENNETH: HE CAME
BECAUSE OF THE WORD. BILL: NOW, NOW LISTEN. DIDN'T JOSEPH GO
DOWN THERE TO EGYPT? AND HE WENT DOWN THERE. AND FIRST OF ALL,
HIS BROTHERS SOLD HIM. SO RIGHT THERE, HE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
BE OFFENDED. THEY SOLD HIM INTO SLAVERY. AND THEN HE GOES DOWN
THERE TO EGYPT. AND HE GOES AND HIRES HIM. THEN HE STARTS
PROSPERING POTIPHAR. AND THEN MRS. POTIPHAR TRIES SOMETHING.
AND BECAUSE JOSEPH WOULDN'T GO FOR IT, NOW TOLD A LIE ON HIM.
NOW THEY PUT HIM IN JAIL. NOW, I'M ONLY SAYING THAT HE SAID, IN
HEBREWS HERE, THAT-- KENNETH: IT'S COMING. BILL: IT IS COMING.
KENNETH: (LAUGHS) BILL: IT'S COMING. AND--AND "LOOKING
DILIGENTLY LEST YOU FAIL OF THE GRACE OF GOD; LEST ANY
OF--OF--ANY ROOT OF BITTERNESS SPRINGING UP TROUBLE YOU, AND
MANY BE DEFILED." THE--IF--IF--IF YOU RECEIVE THAT
OFFENSE, AS A SEED, IT CAN GROW UP AND BECOME A TREE. KENNETH:
YES, IT CAN. BILL: IT'LL BECOME A TREE. AND IT'LL DICTATE WHAT
YOU DO. INSIDE OF YOU WILL TELL YOU, "NO, YOU DON'T LIKE HIM.
DON'T LIKE HER." AND--AND THEN YOU TELL BIG MAMA ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENED BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE OR SOMETHING. AND BIG
MAMA, SHE ATE OF THIS FRUIT OF--COMING OUT OF YOUR LIPS. AND
THEN BIG MAMA STARTS HATING THEM. AND THEN BIG MAMA TELLS
BIGGER MAMA OR WHOEVER IT IS. KENNETH: MM-HMM. BILL: AND THE
NEXT THING YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S HATING ON HIM. AND NOBODY KNOWS
HIM EXCEPT HIS WOMAN. NOW, MY POINT TO YOU IS, THAT CAN HAPPEN
FOR A WHOLE RACE, THAT PEOPLE-- KENNETH: SURE. BILL: --CAN
SPREAD THINGS, AND A WHOLE RACE CAN HATE ANOTHER RACE BECAUSE OF
WHAT HAS BEEN SPOKEN AND EXPERIENCED BY ONE PERSON
RECEIVING OFFENSE. KENNETH: IT'S DESTROYING A NATION RIGHT NOW.
BILL: MY LORD. KENNETH: AND WITHOUT THE REPENTANCE AND
WITHOUT THE PEOPLE OF GOD STANDING UP IN THE UNITED
STATES-- BILL: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. KENNETH: --BECAUSE THIS
NATION WAS FOUNDED ON THE WORD OF THE LIVING GOD. BILL: MY
GOODNESS. LISTEN. KENNETH: AND WE'RE OUT OF TIME. BILL: OH,
LORD HAVE MERCY. (LAUGHS) KENNETH: WE'VE BEEN OUT FOR
ABOUT-- BILL: OH, OKAY. (BOTH LAUGH) BILL: SHWEW, WOW.
KENNETH: FATHER, I PRAY RIGHT NOW FOR THIS RADIO AND
TELEVISION AUDIENCE. BILL: MM, MM, MM. KENNETH: REPENTANCE IS
SO EASY. BILL: MY GOODNESS. THANK YOU, LORD. KENNETH: BUT
IT--THE DECISION TO DO IT IS WHAT'S HARD. JESUS SAID IT'S
LIKE CUTTING OFF YOUR HAND. IT'S LIKE PLUCKING OUT YOUR EYE. IT'S
THE DECISION. BILL: YES. KENNETH: BABY, GOD'LL ENFORCE
IT-- BILL: YEAH. KENNETH: --IF YOU'LL JUST SAY, "FATHER--"
BILL: FORGIVE ME. KENNETH: "--I SHUT MY GOSSIPING MOUTH." BILL:
MM, MM, MM. KENNETH: "I HAVE JUDGED PEOPLE, AND I REPENT,
SIR." BILL: PHEW. KENNETH: "AND I RECEIVE MY FORGIVENESS." BILL:
YES. KENNETH: "CLEANSE ME, PLEASE, OF ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.
I JUDGE MYSELF AND MY BIG MOUTH. AND I REFUSE TO DO IT ANYMORE.
IN JESUS' NAME, I REFUSE TO BREAK THE COMMANDMENT
OF LOVE ANY LONGER." BILL: THANK YOU, LORD.
KENNETH: NOW, THERE'S HEALING FOR YOUR BODY RIGHT
THERE. BILL: MY LORD. KENNETH: OH, GLORY TO GOD. BILL
AND I WILL BE BACK IN JUST A MOMENT. BILL: WHEW.
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